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[咨询求助] 大家说说,CMA还是CGA

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-19 10:42 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 forestcloud 于 2007-3-18 19:20 发表
- W  h7 V9 B0 K6 `7 SOn March 27, there would be a CGA info session at Edmonton Chamber of Commerce. You have to reserve your seat. Check it out on CGA website.

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你会去吗?
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发表于 2007-3-20 19:15 | 显示全部楼层

我所知道的一点

据说,当你先在NAIT学过一些课程,找个会计工作,边工作边读的话,很多单位愿意承担你的费用.当然个人的打算和情况也要考虑.
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发表于 2007-3-21 16:29 | 显示全部楼层
还有一点,''中华会计视野''网站上有一些中加在学的CGA学员,可以找到学友.
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发表于 2007-3-22 21:22 | 显示全部楼层

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老杨团队 追求完美
我已经预约了,一定会去的
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发表于 2007-3-22 21:26 | 显示全部楼层

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你如果带上简历,那天会有几个大公司的finance部门的摊位进行fast review。ATCO, EPCOR, Capital Health 和一些governmental agencies 会出席的
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发表于 2007-3-22 21:38 | 显示全部楼层

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BTW, you might try the transcript evaluation with CGA. I sent them my transcripts from several institutions two weeks ago and yesterday, I got the result.
3 d3 g2 t8 m. a" u! pI have to take PA1,PA2 and a combination of two PACE level topics. In addition, since I completed my Canadian Taxation 1 & 2 in 2002 and it's over 3 years, I am required to retake it. Also my Business Law credit was from the jurisdiction of US, I have to redo it as well. So totally, 6 exams that I need to finish.
* _, y3 N% r# h3 p; _I do not have a Bachelor Degree in Accounting, but just finished a diploma in Accounting and with a designation from outside of Canada. CGA Alberta waivered 3 lower level courses,such as Communications, 1 Advanced course (Managerial Accounting 2) and two PACE level,(management information system) for me ( I never learned before and the credits show nowhere on my transcripts). Seems CGA Alberta's evaluator is pretty generous (His name is Ken).
- F3 {! d( W* e2 SThere is no other obligation to the enrolment upon evaluation except a $85 fee plus tax. Personally, I think that you might be able to know how many RQs you have to take instead of taking them all.
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8 ^! r, i, m+ w4 `% c+ v* J- D[ 本帖最后由 forestcloud 于 2007-3-22 23:46 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-23 20:28 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 forestcloud 于 2007-3-22 22:22 发表
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, l3 P; E  C7 K8 E2 Z多谢回复。我想也会去,别忘了到时打声招呼。见面再聊。
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发表于 2007-3-24 09:19 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 forestcloud 于 2007-3-22 22:38 发表
% l$ {+ o+ ]- L" M6 g; h6 N0 K- j- [BTW, you might try the transcript evaluation with CGA. I sent them my transcripts from several institutions two weeks ago and yesterday, I got the result.
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你好!我是新移民,我是国内的本科学位,但不是会计专业,是通讯,但有会计工作经历6年。我想参加CGA考试,具体如何做,对于移民,学费是否优待些?请指教!
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发表于 2007-3-24 18:06 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
Experienc is not a factor when they do the valuation. You have to take accounting courses to exempt course.If you have accounting related degree here, You will get lots of courses exempted.If CGA asked you to take more than 10 courses, I suggest you to take CMA. I start from level 4, Now I still regret that I didn't tak CMA instead.That way is faster, `) ?/ a/ f( S5 ?2 ?3 Q
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[ 本帖最后由 luckycar 于 2007-3-24 19:14 编辑 ]
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发表于 2007-3-25 06:38 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 luckycar 于 2007-3-24 19:06 发表
4 Y3 E3 q! \1 s- j" r! I. \Experienc is not a factor when they do the valuation. You have to take accounting courses to exempt course.If you have accounting related degree here, You will get lots of courses exempted.If CGA ...

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/ x0 u' |; d9 A% q, bI don't understand ...If CGA asked you to take more than 10 courses, I suggest you to take CMA. I start from level 4, Now I still regret that I didn't tak CMA instead.That way is faster
) v' P5 j! z* {- \/ Umy degree is not accounting . it is impossible to exempt course .how many  courses dose CMA take? why is CMA faster than CGA?  {( A9 _' i& K9 Z
thanks
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发表于 2007-3-25 12:16 | 显示全部楼层
It just takes around 2 years to get CMA if u take the accelerated program in CMA.But for CGA, it is impossible to take 4 courses per year unless you want to full time study. I start CGA in 2004, now I can't get motivation to take 1 course after courses. So bored! If you have 10 courses left in CGA, I think it will take 4 years if if you study hard. But if you dont have working experience. then CGA is not bad cause you have enough time anyway.
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发表于 2007-3-25 21:55 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 luckycar 于 2007-3-25 14:16 发表/ o' w  H0 [2 o7 z( I% s, Z
It just takes around 2 years to get CMA if u take the accelerated program in CMA.But for CGA, it is impossible to take 4 courses per year unless you want to full time study. I start CGA in 2004,  ...

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We might do some calculation here.
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2 w& s% u3 s  q6 r* W" P# W& lTime span wise, CMA accelerated program need 7 months, then you have to prepare to pass the first entrance exam which is so-called "Multiple Choice Exam". (CMA Alberta suggests that the candidate take another review class for the exam, let's say 1 month) If you pass the first exam, you are eligible to take the second 4-hr "Essay Exam" in 6 months. Only if you pass the second exam, you can be admitted to the Strategic Leader Program (SLP). This is a two year case program, you have to be assigned to a team of 4-5 people by the instructor. I was told that there would be 6-7 cases and presentations for the whole SLP program and until you have passed all the above procedure and with qualified 2-year senior to manager level accounting experience, you can be given the CMA designation.
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So 7 plus 1 plus 6 plus 24, it would be 38 months to complete, not even count the possible failure in certain steps. In addition, to be eligible for Accelerated Program, you have to take several accounting and business courses before hand. And this would add more time on it.
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If you have 10 courses to complete CGA, you might go to a local college to get a "tailored" diploma to quickly finish the non-PACE level items, only the 4 PACE courses are required in CGA program.  g; _: e1 ]6 k# h9 l4 x/ \' z

4 ]- P! v/ p& HMoney-wise, Accelerate Program costs 2600, Review class asked for 2400 3 years ago and you have to also add cost for SLP program. Not cheap at all. It's almost the same as to get the CA designation. This explains why there used to be a motion for the merge of CA and CMA designations in 2004 (failed because of the objection from CA Quebec). Also among the local professionals, they valued higher on CMA due to the tougher process than CGA.* E6 k% m1 R3 F' K, Z. ^2 h9 n. q
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Also, sometimes CGA recognizes your professional designation from other jurisdictions, you could be waivered for the courses that you have never completed. I got exempted from 5 courses that I have never done before.( I did not possess an accounting bachelor degree, either, only with several accounting courses and several years' accounting experience).
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9 R! A# ?1 r8 SAt CMA program, I have to attend Accelerated Program then follow the steps in a more-than-three-year process.' {. g; S$ l7 P2 U$ C

4 `$ ^6 [- E, J8 `- z9 p0 ?, K6 Y7 F# fAt CGA program, I have 4 PACE level courses only (I am also asked to redo the Tax 1 and Law 1 since I completed them over 3 years), and the other courses can be finished concurrently.
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+ n+ U$ }+ y. Z8 U# z7 |' ZOf course, different people are not in the same scenario, all depend on your own plan and endurance.
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[ 本帖最后由 forestcloud 于 2007-3-26 00:14 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-25 22:26 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
原帖由 forestcloud 于 2007-3-25 22:55 发表+ J" a* Z+ [6 q( J( b. n

- N9 N* v. D0 ]4 h8 k* d# T: |you are eligible to take the second 4-hr "Essay Exam" in 6 months. Only if you pass the second exam, you can be admitted to the Strategic Leader Program (SLP)

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4 C4 t! [$ f) kVery informative. One question regarding the above quote, it seems there is no "essay exam" needed to proceed into the SLP according to the CMA brochure.
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发表于 2007-3-26 09:12 | 显示全部楼层

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老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
我也预定了27号CGA Info session 的座位,现正犹豫要否参加,如果能有个伴会更好.我的Email:sullairdanise@hotmail.com,希望能同去.
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发表于 2007-3-26 09:19 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 zhou701 于 2007-3-26 11:12 发表! O/ |. l, z: u+ i) A( e
我也预定了27号CGA Info session 的座位,现正犹豫要否参加,如果能有个伴会更好.我的Email:sullairdanise@hotmail.com,希望能同去.

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发表于 2007-3-26 09:21 | 显示全部楼层
&#21407;&#24086;&#30001; Tiggie &#20110; 2007-3-26 00:26 &#21457;&#34920;& ?- i; g; x: K) |- b

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Very informative. One question regarding the above quote, it seems there is no "essay exam" needed to proceed into the SLP according to the CMA brochure.

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$ R( X8 A" e" x7 K& PYeah, you are right. Multiple choice exam is the entrance exam and upon completion of SLP, 4-hour essay is an exit exam.
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发表于 2007-3-26 10:05 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
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Yeah, you are right. Multiple choice exam is the entrance exam and upon completion of SLP, 4-hour essay is an exit exam.

7 k; l; L% a2 l# XThank you for your introduction for CMA. My study experience is really really hard for CGA, that is why I always suggest people to take CMA if they are not MBA here. CMA is not easy, but at least not that many exams and time spent like CGA. I have accounting degree in China and finance here. When CGA do the evaluation initailly. They ask me to take LAW1, FA3, plus all the level 4, Pace level courses, 11 courses in total. I took these courses one after one and later realize that lots of people get more courses exempted than me even they dont have accounting degree or accounting experience.Even the data entry people in my company under me is pace level. I Just feel so frustrated,  but I have finished lots of level 1,3,4, pace courses with lots of money already, so have to finish the remaining 2 courses as well.
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Anyway, do an evaluation and see what they say. CGA level 3,4,pace  is helpful to find a job before you get the designation for sure. I think that is the only advantage of CGA.
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发表于 2007-3-27 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 forestcloud 于 2007-3-25 23:55 发表
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- i5 G8 B" U8 A" BHave to correct this error. Only PA1 and PA2 is required to be completed within CGA program and the two elective PACE courses are accepting transfer credits.
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-28 00:18 | 显示全部楼层
决定去考CGA了,因为它不要IQAS成绩单评估,如果是全职学生的话还可以75%打折。多谢各位回贴。有空多联系,可以一起去吃饭吹牛或者是去公园闲遛达。学习中搞不懂的问题还得向各位请教。
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发表于 2007-3-28 22:12 | 显示全部楼层

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老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
昨天去参加CGA的现场招聘会了吗?只猜出了Forestcloud,好象有几个中国女孩子,但没敢乱猜.
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发表于 2007-3-29 18:47 | 显示全部楼层

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楼主有没有比较过在CGA和CMA在读期间找工作的情况呢, 那时你肯定有移民了,到时候积累工作经验也特别重要吧, 特别是半路出家的, 本来就没有相关经验.
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发表于 2007-3-30 02:34 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
同问
原帖由 maomeimei 于 2007-3-29 19:47 发表
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发表于 2007-3-31 20:00 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
ETS
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发表于 2007-4-5 15:29 | 显示全部楼层
半点都不懂,帮顶
大型搬家
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发表于 2007-4-9 11:54 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
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发表于 2007-7-6 12:51 | 显示全部楼层
有没有准备选PACE LEVEL的课的朋友?  我9月开始上, 想找个伴一起学,一起复习,一起考试
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发表于 2007-8-1 14:51 | 显示全部楼层
我在学cga,还有4门peace level的考试. 上来补充几句.9 h- g2 J+ M9 Y. |

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还有考这些证书,老板都会给补贴的. 特别是accounting firm.有的firm还会帮你交会费. 但是工资就低. 不过我现在在普通的公司实习,还是包的. 但是我是国际学生,只有包加拿大学费, 多出来的自己给. 年费也包.  y( n$ w1 h; }* m6 K" N) B6 ~

+ J) L$ N; o$ W, E个人觉得CGA比CMA简单. 因为CMA好多课程偏文, 上次学了一门advanced manager accounting,考试全部分析. 脑袋都疼了. 还是喜欢financial acct多一点.
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发表于 2007-9-13 07:21 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
我以前没有学会计,如果我想考**A,是不是要先去NEIT读个DIPLOMA才可以考,有没有工作经历的要求.请帮忙
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发表于 2007-9-13 14:44 | 显示全部楼层

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where did you find the information that full time students can get 25% discout? Thanks.
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