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地下室的氡确实可以致癌

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鲜花(50) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2012-8-24 13:34 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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看到有人发帖关于地下室氡气致癌的帖子,让我想起了刚刚确实的朋友。我郑重的以我朋友的经历告诉大家,氡确实会致人得癌症。我一个朋友就是怀孕期间住了st. alberta的独立house地下室1年,30多岁,从来不吸烟,无任何不良嗜好,没有家族的病史,最后诊断为肺癌。几个月前刚刚去世。铁的事实说明了很多。望大家注意。我们无法保证住的每个地下室都符合人类居住的基本条件。
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发表于 2012-8-24 15:23 | 显示全部楼层
这么严重,想起那个非诚勿扰上有个家伙说他小时候跟他妈妈住了6年的.我开始杞人忧天了
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发表于 2012-8-24 15:31 | 显示全部楼层
能住上面就住上面吧。偶尔去楼下玩玩到是可以。
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发表于 2012-8-24 15:36 | 显示全部楼层
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氡气是否致癌不是通过一两个事例就能得出结论的。1 l6 y0 v0 c0 ^) f( V0 W
不过确实能住上面就住上面吧。
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发表于 2012-8-25 15:49 | 显示全部楼层
那有人在地下室开daycare, dayhome的是不是坚决不能送啊!
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发表于 2012-8-25 16:23 | 显示全部楼层
如果在地下室住一年就得了肺癌,那在楼上住的又能好到哪里去呢?气都是通的吧。不明白了
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发表于 2012-8-25 17:14 | 显示全部楼层
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我觉得还是6楼的有道理,特别是冬天开暖气时,整个房子的空气都是循环的。
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发表于 2012-8-25 20:38 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2012-8-25 21:43 | 显示全部楼层
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这个可能需要更多证明。
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发表于 2012-8-25 23:24 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2012-12-9 00:54 | 显示全部楼层
氡气的性质
( x* O5 N- K; i     氡( Rn )位于元素周期表第Ⅵ周期零族,为惰性气体元素,其化学性质不活泼。 氡气无色无味;比重 : 9.73 克 L -1 ;熔点 : -71 ℃;沸点 : -62 ℃;氡溶于煤油、甲苯、血、水、 CS 2 ;易被脂肪、橡胶、硅胶、活性炭吸附。常温下氡及子体在空气中能形成放射性气溶胶而污染空气。 & Y: ~. H+ C7 l

) `5 P' W* W& I9 b! x 氡的辐射特性 : ~' e* h" q" {: x; u" j
    自然界中的氡是由镭衰变产生,是人类所接触到的唯一气体放射性元素。氡的半衰期只有 3.8 天,氡形成后很快衰变并产生一系列放射性产物,最终成为稳定元素铅。
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6 R- `& N- e) e) c5 _, q 氡的危害
4 O& A' I- j9 L; G6 K     联合国原子辐射效应科学委员会( UNSCEAR )估计, 来自天然的辐射对公众的年有效剂量为 2.4mSv ,其中氡及其子体的贡献占 54% 。
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9 s; V2 k- O3 U! e! |3 I8 O% S8 x    氡对人类的健康影响表现为 确定性效应 (determination effect) 和 随机效应( stochastic effect )。确定性效应表现为:在高浓度氡的暴露下,机体出现血细胞的变化如外周血液中红细胞增加,中性白细胞减少,淋巴细胞增多,血管扩张,血压下降,并可见到血凝增加和高血糖。氡对人体脂肪有很高的亲和力,特别是神经系统与氡结合产生痛觉缺失。随机效应主要表现为肿瘤的发生,由于氡是放射性气体,当人们吸入后,氡衰变过程产生的α粒子可在人的呼吸系统造成辐射损伤,诱发肺癌。流行病学研究表明:氡及其衰变子体的吸入是矿工肺癌发病的重要原因。美国估计每年有 7000-10000 例肺癌由于是室内氡所引起的,即除吸烟以 外引起肺癌的第二大因素。荷兰认为由氡引肺癌为交通事故的 2/3 。 在瑞典,氡在所有癌症诱因中排第五位。 氡是 ICRP 推荐的慢性照射行动水平具体数据的唯一核素,被 WHO (世界卫生组织)公布为 19 种主要的环境致癌物质之一 。 1987 年氡被国际癌症研究机构列入室内重要致癌物质。不过目前对由居室内氡引起的照射的潜在健康的认识仍然有限。
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    氡是由放射性元素镭衰变产生 , 镭又是由放射性元素铀衰变而来 , 铀起了一个氡的永久源作用。室内氡的主要来源如下 : " Z$ W& \" v" f9 q5 B5 K
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1 、 从建材中析出的氡; . h4 z8 i6 c) G' Y. m* n2 n3 H
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3 、 由于通风从户外空气中进入室内的氡;
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$ Y4 t# f) L0 d: ?4、 从供水及用于取暖和厨房设备的天然气中释放出的氡
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鲜花(1181) 鸡蛋(48)
发表于 2012-12-9 10:17 | 显示全部楼层
按照楼主的逻辑,国内人都不住地下室,而国内肺癌比例更高,是不是可见越不住地下室越致癌啊?
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发表于 2012-12-9 10:27 | 显示全部楼层
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五星红旗 发表于 2012-12-9 00:54
4 @( l4 e0 ~4 d- _7 H+ c* A氡气的性质 ) D/ R' }5 W1 p# ~2 ?+ d( Z. n1 O  |$ ^
     氡( Rn )位于元素周期表第Ⅵ周期零族,为惰性气体元素,其化学性质不活泼。 氡气无色 ...

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鲜花(50) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-9 19:43 | 显示全部楼层
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小黄 发表于 2012-12-9 10:17
- S4 V0 f; k; m" E1 q! I# d按照楼主的逻辑,国内人都不住地下室,而国内肺癌比例更高,是不是可见越不住地下室越致癌啊?
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得癌的因素有很多,人得癌症是由其中一种或几种因素所致,比如劳累,比如长期吃有问题的食品,比如总接触一种叫氡的放射物质。如果今天有人和你说长期吃有问题的食品容易致癌,你会说:绝大多数得癌的人不吃有问题的食物照样得癌,是不是可见越不吃有问题的食物越致癌啊?
, ^1 V- M. W( N$ t2 l2 w根据你的逻辑,直接得到的结论是可以往死里累自己,随便吃有问题食品,随便住地下室,不用关氡气不氡气,这就对了?氡是一种可以引起人致癌的东西,但往往不引起大家注意,这里有人提醒大家注意一下地下室可能有氡气,并举例善意告诉大家一些例子,有什么问题?逻辑不清楚吗?氡能致癌是铁的事实,只是并非每个地下室有有,不了解的人注意就可以了,逻辑上没有任何问题。如果认为有问题,你就往死里累自己,整天吃有问题食品,每天大量吸氡气,爽了吧。
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发表于 2012-12-9 20:08 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lanlong 于 2012-12-9 21:09 编辑
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五星红旗 发表于 2012-12-9 01:54 5 E* s& r8 @' p
氡气的性质 & d# Y+ H( u1 W+ n/ p
     氡( Rn )位于元素周期表第Ⅵ周期零族,为惰性气体元素,其化学性质不活泼。 氡气无色 ...

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$ [$ |% Y( J; C5 }, |2 T2 C4 f8 Y% l 1 、 从建材中析出的氡;
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# T0 |. n4 z6 W. v3 [; S 3 、 由于通风从户外空气中进入室内的氡;
' M+ e/ l, Z3 H( i  B 4、 从供水及用于取暖和厨房设备的天然气中释放出的氡。。。
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1 S1 a" j1 a  T-----------不开窗通风吧,建材、土壤有氡;开窗通风吧,户外空气有氡!!, J( M4 H; P3 Z$ s% |
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        反正是活不成了!你只要住屋子就死定了!!
鲜花(70) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2012-12-9 20:11 | 显示全部楼层
理解楼主的好心,楼主只是好心提醒一下大家而已。- d6 H( r5 {5 C1 h+ z
不过不太赞同楼主的结论呵呵。

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usoon  在2012-12-9 22:44  送朵鲜花  并说:我非常同意你的观点,送朵鲜花鼓励一下
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发表于 2012-12-9 22:42 | 显示全部楼层
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理解楼主的好心,楼主只是好心提醒一下大家而已。
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发表于 2012-12-9 23:09 | 显示全部楼层
usoon 发表于 2012-12-9 19:43 , i$ M! S" K0 W4 ?
得癌的因素有很多,人得癌症是由其中一种或几种因素所致,比如劳累,比如长期吃有问题的食品,比如总接触 ...

0 N+ p3 x. C* w# e: d+ V# [, ?8 h 请仔细看帖。我从没否认氡气致癌。我所指的是,你看到住地下室的得癌就非要归到氡气上,是缺乏逻辑的。爱屯周边是氡气含量极低的地方。除非得癌的人诊断后对地下室进行测量得出这个结论,否则就太牵强。
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发表于 2012-12-10 00:08 | 显示全部楼层
值得学习
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发表于 2012-12-10 05:51 | 显示全部楼层
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理论不成立。住上面得癌的人更多,不信你去医院问问,有几个癌症患者是住地下的。呵呵。
鲜花(5) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2012-12-10 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
个例说明不了任何问题。
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发表于 2012-12-10 14:49 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
氡肯定致癌,但地下室浓度能不能达到不好说,要检测
鲜花(7) 鸡蛋(1)
发表于 2012-12-10 18:38 | 显示全部楼层
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我看怎么上面好多人都没搞清楼主意思,就说什么逻辑不成立。逻辑很简单:氡致癌----地下室的氡含量超标几率高于其他住的地方----大家注意一下地下室。楼主举例是说明地下室氡超标很可能致癌。楼主从没说过所有地下室都会氡超标,也没说只要住地下室就得癌,有些人逻辑混乱,实在没办法。
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发表于 2013-1-16 07:53 | 显示全部楼层
如风 发表于 2012-12-10 05:51
) i2 z, Y" [5 u, L0 c理论不成立。住上面得癌的人更多,不信你去医院问问,有几个癌症患者是住地下的。呵呵。
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讲逻辑就要坚持到底。住上面得癌症的早先是否有过住地下的历史?需要对曾经暴露在高浓度氡环境中的生活史的调查统计。
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发表于 2013-1-16 10:01 | 显示全部楼层
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6 y3 M1 a8 m) p( n$ q# w8 L1 q( M& }canada lung association 的建议如下:
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Radon4 J$ C& ~( C% |6 @7 l! J0 ^: \

5 C4 E' u' Y' y* TYou should test your home for radon, an invisible gas that can cause lung cancer. Testing for radon is easy and costs about $50. If your home has high radon levels, you can repair it to block the radon.( u# L, X9 U- f+ p
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Radon is an invisible, odorless gas that can seep into your home through cracks in floors, walls and foundations. You can't see radon. You can't smell it or taste it. But it may be a problem in your home.3 w% X. ^2 T; z$ B5 S5 A  J
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Radon comes from the natural breakdown of uranium in soil, rock and water. Radon gas escapes from the ground into the air outside. When radon mixes with the air outside, it’s not a problem: the air outside dilutes the amount of radon. But when radon seeps into a closed-in space like a house, it can be harmful. The radon gas can become trapped inside. You and your family can breathe in high levels of radon, without knowing it./ t' k' y" @0 w$ x8 @
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Radon can come out of the soil and water and seep into cracks and openings in your home, especially on the lower floor, basement, or crawlspace. Radon gas can get into your home through many openings, including:
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Radon can get trapped inside your home, especially in basements and crawlspaces that don’t have good ventilation (air movement)./ h- c( W) M; \" S; T# t- F

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Radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer in Canada. Radon exposure is estimated to be the cause of 10% of lung cancers.: N9 I& t' z" O
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If you live in a building with high radon levels (or if you spend a lot of time in one), you are at higher risk for lung cancer. Radon is the second most common cause of lung cancer, after smoking.
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% p- R7 {" |$ P! Y9 aRadon can be found all over Canada. There are parts of the country that tend to have more radon, and parts that tend to have less. But it’s impossible to know how much radon there is in your home unless you test for it. That's why everyone should test their home for radon.
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How do I test my home for radon?
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What kind of radon test should I get?
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Where do I buy a radon test?
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& A1 E9 I! n  c4 N- A; a% JLeave the test device in place for at least three months.2 Z+ l0 m; p1 I* v" F
Mail the test device to the company’s laboratory. The test will come with a mailing label and package. All you have to do is put the test device in the package and drop it in a post box.# c$ g3 y: W. s+ e$ P# _8 b
The company will analyze test device in their laboratory and mail you the results.( b& b- T6 O- z! R" U
What do I do if the test results say I have radon in my home?/ I! w$ n  h0 j: V% q! o2 O
What you do depends on how much radon there is. Radon is measured in Becquerels per cubic metre (Bq/m3)." J/ [: Y% C( e4 X! i, T! c0 F7 E1 l

& T7 m- i: F7 VIf your home’s radon level is less than 200 Bq/m3, Health Canada radon guidelines say that no action is required. However, even low levels of radon can be harmful. It’s a good idea to try to lower your home’s radon level as much as possible, even if it’s already below 200 Bq/m3.
% Z( ^9 p( V7 zIf your home’s radon level is between 200 and 600 Bq/m3, you should repair your home in the next two years.; T' I- I- s0 I% M) I
If your home’s radon level is over 600 Bq/m3, you should repair your home within one year.
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, [( c- b4 c9 r# [) b( h5 iHow do I repair my home to lower its level of radon?
7 E5 A0 M9 a# \% b& G! qTo lower the radon level, you need to hire a contractor to:& s4 Y/ n' p; N
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figure out where the radon is coming in
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Radon can come into your home through: sump pumps, cracks in foundations, spaces around pipes, unfinished floors, and other places. To solve your radon problem, you need an expert to find out where exactly the radon is getting in. A trained contractor with experience in radon mitigation (radon repairs) can examine your home, find where the radon is seeping in, and make the necessary repairs.% h" E! q4 [1 _* U: @9 V

* C/ _5 F. F4 G% ^5 {  V: S% NWho should I hire to repair (mitigate) my home to lower its radon level?% _) M& O, ~1 P  p; i- t& g5 s
You should hire an experienced, reputable contractor to mitigate your home. Right now, there is no certification program in Canada for radon mitigation contractors. Health Canada is planning one, but it’s hasn’t been developed yet. In the meantime, Health Canada recognizes the certification programs offered in the United States through either the National Environmental Health Association or the National Radon Safety Board. Both organizations operate a certification program for contractors who offer radon measurement and mitigation services to the public. Health Canada encourages Canadians to use a contractor who is certified by one of these programs.! U( ?+ f- m/ p, w

+ ^* {8 D" K) p$ _How much will it cost for repairs to block radon (radon mitigation)?
6 {% ~) t" x" }3 R( D1 g' cIt usually costs between $500 and $3000 to repair your home to block radon from getting inside.# C! M8 @8 F2 b1 ~2 e
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Are there any grants or programs that cover the cost of radon testing or mitigation (repairs)?! d, D3 R8 \4 G% z6 P, K. T5 Q. w9 r
No, unfortunately. We are not aware of any grants to cover the cost of radon testing or mitigation.2 t& N! F% W# `. k8 i
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What if I rent my home? Can I ask my landlord to test for radon?
% _! Q8 _7 s0 e6 f0 _) nWe do not know of any specific laws that force private landlords to test for radon or make repairs. If you rent, you could ask your landlord to test for radon. If your landlord refused, you could try testing for radon yourself. After you got the results, you could share them with the landlord. If the results said your rental home does have a high level of radon, you could ask your landlord to hire a radon mitigation contractor.
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0 {3 ?4 _% Q+ s  a. l( d5 NLung cancer patient urges homeowners to test for radon : Read Antonella’s story

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夏小姜  在2013-1-16 14:12  送朵鲜花  并说:我非常同意你的观点,送朵鲜花鼓励一下
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本帖最后由 cpc 于 2013-1-16 13:27 编辑 * l% _3 s% g  w. A* J! _8 i6 B
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总结一下就是加拿大到处都有氡,有的地方多些有的地方少些,没实际测量,谁也说不准超不超标。5 `4 l; |7 ?* T$ j
10%加拿大肺癌是氡引起的,是第二主要病因,如果家里超标加上吸烟,风险更高。: r  Z+ ]# f  M
买测试仪器要长期测试的那种,如果超标最好雇用在美国认证过的CONTRACTOR来处理。
" W. q1 `, M% D3 T6 k& a5 y$ ~- ?$ m测试50块钱左右,修补500到3000." u% ^0 ?: h+ e1 D6 [, W* q
氡主要从SUMPUMP,窗户,地下室未装修的地面或地面及墙的裂缝进入,冬天空气不流通时测量为好。& X7 r5 z* k, O  B- N

) \, [$ ~! g0 \# ^* W, A原文链接:http://www.lung.ca/protect-prote ... r/radon-radon_e.php

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夏小姜  在2013-1-16 14:56  送朵鲜花  并说:我非常同意你的观点,送朵鲜花鼓励一下
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老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
LZ是好人。
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完全支持黄教授和如风。手机致癌大家都公认,可是还不是大量使用?亚硝酸盐几乎所有腌制食品包括香肠罐头都有,大家还不是正常吃?得癌症的主要因素是精神因素比如压力太大心情不好等,其次是睡眠,其他因素只能退到第三第四位。
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