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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.
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$ Y- D- g, X8 K0 E# ^% G5 Xhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!) N( d$ ?" J6 @# p+ {

3 s! _8 j* o: }' e) ?9 c+ mSomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?* z% X- o) l, W+ ^, I8 p

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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表% \& g, m9 x- i# Q
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3 |4 x( b% v" s) ?: _/ mhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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' h* k8 p& r$ l8 i6 D  M1 QUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.2 _7 ]. k. |6 `2 q, n$ K

  f: f$ h* N! |0 I, FBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.% l- {  s" X% V2 \

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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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; }- ]9 U9 x, B1 G+ t4 B/ F! E6 zI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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; k+ c9 m- d; S  ^, S5 [please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!3 b, W6 m  q( s/ x4 D: A" j
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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1 u' f" k+ N) z3 ^2 {Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.* G( \% V$ C5 [

5 G' Z! c; s: qBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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+ s" n3 z5 P, w' ~Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.+ C" ]* x# P3 j0 `
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?
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& a, m, C" l0 N9 J* {( Awhen you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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8 {% K. v) Q: R9 E+ }" A3 n4 Tplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!
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# S3 {; e  i& w. ?! nhaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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  P; }3 L5 G1 ?( k3 \Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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+ X) H& A3 k+ x& {- }3 QThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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2 ?; C+ |) C( _4 t刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: so ...

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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.) \! ~) T* Q9 @; l# g  ^  r
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  ; _7 x; f% M2 ~) ^) u3 g! I
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表6 e' B6 i4 S+ f  T0 e

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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% A( l/ {4 M' X. A$ twhat's the logic there?: O6 X9 ?4 h( V7 q! J0 h9 d3 w9 K

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, Y3 @# x+ f; w; s4 S! hI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表- l* ^6 M! ^/ w. ~9 b$ ], v+ K" H
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1 }+ C$ n8 c  g7 P, JI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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* c) V9 v5 d* J( t) [7 j( C/ h9 Hit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.    ^2 Y/ j  k5 x0 |

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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表$ {/ v2 @4 {8 D8 o0 ?8 L0 K0 h' E

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don't use big words that you don't understand.   

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  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:
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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表- C4 ]. }5 F  e. V2 P0 {$ K6 D
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~- [# n: m% V+ e/ Q; z

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想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!5 T4 W7 |- g/ ?

  t2 _, F6 T- Q3 `没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表( Q! J+ `/ C  a/ y4 L
well, just for clarification purpose
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i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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# I( W3 z2 E+ w# e大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。) P+ N% ~# i2 L2 B

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表+ r# p0 y1 P8 |( O" `* y/ z) I
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.3 ?1 s' K+ [! }4 C5 t
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  + t) ]. K. @4 T3 j4 ^) ]/ g
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.    c$ k" d$ W2 c" T% @8 e+ Q

* U: r6 X4 ]% o" I) x+ H; gOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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, x6 H# H7 f5 M 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
' A, m% E2 r/ o& p6 I! K7 l如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去 ) C2 B6 K4 S, S, U# l
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; l# G1 q4 c/ }! D" s6 s' U; D( d% G" ]i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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- U* Z) W* a8 ]1 R: H3 `i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:11 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
# a  I( T1 E& _# t0 B8 t% P又搞这么多英语

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7 O2 O( o, t" U是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.
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# B. y0 P# t& @0 L. w, H5 i; g# B. Si was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

: e7 w3 l* H0 D8 p  f你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!
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还是灌水的正事儿要紧
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~

9 f4 t* v- O  R5 A2 R看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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正全力督办此事。
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靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
/ V6 w/ w, Q+ U靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~

: X8 m/ c, B; p* X. r0 ]真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表- E6 Y9 e1 v, G* P/ I0 P
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状# o4 M- q0 F' {5 {
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2 再问是否需要点其他的,
+ a" e! F* F/ y; C( g% t6 j3 t3 再问是否送得太慢,
9 o2 ?" p: d. ~+ n+ u! P4 在问是否服务太差。
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这些招数值得一试。
+ _! U2 ~9 O, f( {5 J% f) F我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表# O* G! D  @1 ]2 F8 D5 A( B
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
, _" Z( r# }, N7 e# s1 a8 m我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
3 \( ?; w* C5 u2 J1 z再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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. X# f' R) p' f9 R8 r1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
! v; \: W2 }/ A2 再问是否需要点其他的, 0 K% p& S3 n+ M! T. t
3 再问是否送得太慢, ) K- N/ _1 n3 Y( M, E
4 在问是否服务太差。 . q4 m# k% _; A% G% e- Z- i& D7 z* n( Q; b
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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9 O, p- e& f, d- {% U$ }这个应该管用!  
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 . ^8 e, e# u. x, i2 `  i* |( Z
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~

, \' t8 |6 d3 x3 I# \笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  
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咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  ) W9 I* N0 y% J& c  x/ z

9 Z8 t5 d' r4 v" ~% K! w2 U有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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