送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表


For Employer:
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You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

+ @# `9 T  k9 v9 U8 c6 Nhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.

' ^" X# ]/ q2 W3 k* RUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

6 {4 C5 G4 S" h! l' r6 C) e  }please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表


& O: P: `4 Z8 iUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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( w  U3 [( G1 j0 T4 rBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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: W' w* C5 m+ H. x1 H2 Z0 |8 mYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

7 M9 y5 }  {2 Otip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

what's the logic there?

when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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" P" S# U% e- j/ O1 L- |- ~please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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3 j2 e" I# l0 F5 ohaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表


Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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  v3 z' B8 l! @+ t* x" ~刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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# c' E5 b" f  f! fTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

The exception is: so ...

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  Y* \9 i! S9 @haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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* D" y4 K1 I; x: P+ Z2 Vthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
4 E  H* `& l4 _There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  

2 }" u/ |4 ?- z8 A% mOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表


Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

what's the logic there?

6 F0 ?( J5 \6 p- w& a+ @( lwhen you are talking about ...

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  

right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表


, L4 M6 f) b. \. Y, tdon't use big words that you don't understand.   

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猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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写中文吧，各位～～

想跟着灌，插不进嘴～

OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！
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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
well, just for clarification purpose

6 \$ ?; `/ T- E+ J2 R. Gi am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.

i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...

这小妮子真要讲理哈！
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, d3 N( X' R1 Z& |5 S) f1 K% m) A' q大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。

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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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6 Y+ T; e- Z/ y7 d, L# P) bhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

; ?, I4 t) |* E9 W) M8 o4 C6 \# s9 Tthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
8 P; i3 K# P! K/ y* D/ ~There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  

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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表

0 }4 B2 K& b" ?9 X1 ] 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去

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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜 ...

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" l3 b, \" V% c* s9 p+ j7 gi was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...

hoho, how funny

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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

猪刀小试

原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
/ _% G8 \, h$ ^又搞这么多英语

: w& n3 i# K: v% I( ~/ l/ V是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表


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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!
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还是灌水的正事儿要紧

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表


是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

. l& u9 g; J0 b# o% g看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表

看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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正全力督办此事。

猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
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francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
- ~! p# E) s6 W( j% o! C3 C再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状

2 m5 N1 a. f* J8 f1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
9 g2 D4 ?2 w+ n) v) B. n4 h2 再问是否需要点其他的，
3 再问是否送得太慢，
4 在问是否服务太差。
( @  w1 S  W' M* h8 v: N9 w1 ?5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这些招数值得一试。
我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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' a. q5 `' m- m, {& Y5 |1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
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- o+ @- X" [% \! W' p4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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" }" Q1 H1 z" s: M笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  

! u' L$ M( u, l) `6 V咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  

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