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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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5 ^' I- x3 e$ ?6 Z7 L: Uhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.' y% J0 |0 D, v# ~) A

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$ w2 }! T5 s3 Y/ O; f& {# aSomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?  ^( w: c9 ?5 {. B  @/ q
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表% W, O0 q# C- J

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.4 x+ W; q6 A' n1 n* v
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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" |) V+ T, o( TBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表* H1 x! i# f" x; l; Q8 V

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9 w0 K+ w0 r3 S% U( v/ tI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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% G5 k; i8 j$ [0 eUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.5 @% G( y0 ?9 e4 M+ Z9 C+ W' X
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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3 m1 e. p! o+ ]$ k' y0 kYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.  G1 ]2 i8 s% \3 f% J
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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/ p* w4 |5 p3 H, k8 Q& H( qwhat's the logic there?
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7 `: L5 b% [, W0 c/ m- J1 Lwhen you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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9 x+ H4 d. x$ J/ M4 C% ]; p9 ~please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!
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  j* e% i# g" S7 U- zhaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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3 N3 R, k& s2 Q& k2 L: w, MTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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- F3 R' N% n+ W# w8 kThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~6 ]$ ]1 P# s% g* @* W' ?
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刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。
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原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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  O: ^  g* N1 uTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: so ...

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  R4 B8 i' K' \' k2 Qhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.$ e0 A% ~$ p3 Z2 ]# Z
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表9 G; z* G$ W6 t( `$ y. P: L( f7 S3 z

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! B5 w+ L, A$ MYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.2 T8 N5 W. F; b- S2 Q) {$ h

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when you are talking about ...
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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$ Z  t# _( ?" y' J" iI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表2 G" u: I3 e! E7 b# s- s8 \

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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表6 m( A/ D& b$ ?9 j- I3 l3 W
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~& J" U) h( {/ E% W7 a0 M. B

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写中文吧,各位~~

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想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!6 W5 E( {) A: m8 D8 w
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没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表* [( M( p  C3 H7 N3 j" r4 @: Q$ J; t7 y' k
well, just for clarification purpose! O' [# p7 }/ x/ j

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i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...
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这小妮子真要讲理哈!
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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。. r2 }  k) R0 Z' l4 q  W+ j' M

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表- M+ F  r( I" C9 X

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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。- ^( [/ Y! ^+ t
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
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/ a" ^, K2 F* k3 o' Gi do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表# K4 n  L. q9 c, H
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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, A' x# C7 X7 W. ?/ d2 E 正全力督办此事。
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靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表/ J* d7 R5 j8 ?
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表  G6 @+ S- u! o: V3 o! F
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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3 再问是否送得太慢,
9 |, n7 l* _7 o- f: q. B4 在问是否服务太差。
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- [* t8 u6 ^9 m8 `6 }3 O我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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hahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表. k( D1 l8 N( R
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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2 e  Z( b1 h! |7 S唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
& U2 K3 a( y: r5 {7 n+ p* s5 I2 ?我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
- f! J% o9 d3 m* |* d  f9 q5 ]再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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3 S2 Z/ D4 ~$ T0 _' G1 R* v1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
0 o6 Y$ W8 O5 a. ?, C# m6 \2 再问是否需要点其他的, , b/ e( j+ c) ^* A$ V* S
3 再问是否送得太慢,
; ?5 _2 A7 r8 E8 R, Q4 在问是否服务太差。 0 m- i" J8 @9 J+ M8 F
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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这个应该管用!  
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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( }: e  s: @7 w; \, X6 x唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
: K1 A  Z6 _. R$ F; Q  e: R我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  
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& W3 M/ V9 y. J( k+ |4 H咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  2 q  ?" {4 [0 J

% T' n6 f# P- ?' j( G! I有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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