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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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For Employer:
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9 R4 J" v4 u7 d0 {) }+ UYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.
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6 ~6 H3 p6 J2 p) k+ l, Ghoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing., W, D3 o& O2 U; n) g- |! i; p

* `4 E- e8 }) |; V. jUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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% z4 d3 m+ {4 u+ b* i" k  ASomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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) I* v8 u( e0 x% d( Nhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.) }  @! I9 o0 r* v

5 [$ a. \" V% n% UUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表+ C4 D: A3 A" e# p" G7 e" [

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" P8 G0 p0 D- u  q) o0 K- g* JI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:54 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表; m9 x" T3 E- ]3 q  ^  E

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: j0 {& E; {; T. f6 hBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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5 l/ B6 ^! H, a5 p4 d4 DYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada: t" {. R5 p; d" n* h0 q, T
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what's the logic there?
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- u3 M( ]  i6 }; q, p  w0 ewhen you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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/ c8 P9 U9 t, W( Y; [please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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- @8 c6 @2 @6 phaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表' H+ T, l( \- W1 m' Z) I
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.0 K4 I4 W. a8 O4 B* Y+ A1 E

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( z8 m5 ?" a6 ^+ Z; W0 qTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! % B) I& B* l) e; [/ M! A

% l  A# Z; x! T& ]7 h( Q" {5 a# WThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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& F" l, o2 Z8 x: Y  {/ J+ V6 [( y& kTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! 6 U* A6 y  w' C; @

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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder." a% n+ Z5 N: W$ G
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  $ V  B8 g' M6 g% B) Z+ Z9 t* G/ A
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  * ]/ |2 |) B+ [7 \6 Z

# T! Z" m& {, \3 g- wOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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4 J+ W: G+ W' @' C7 p[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:12 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表- Z5 Y. r* @6 ]) g; S) L
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! C; M4 `6 z# [9 `; w; M/ h& VYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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what's the logic there?
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0 ^$ I/ e  r) F0 [. f( y0 r6 q2 Uwhen you are talking about ...

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* ?1 y* L% @# A" `I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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* S" r1 `% n) P! S* J& QI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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( E+ t' {" a- R0 B) Y- D# ~7 ?# Oit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  ! g! @6 p( [9 |. v7 l
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right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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: j3 N* X: l( g* ]2 Xdon't use big words that you don't understand.   

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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表$ J3 @6 d+ p& ~! h% g# _" A
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~; o" s; e' k. ]/ l- `% p

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写中文吧,各位~~
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, L$ f0 B6 M) h3 z8 p% n 想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!
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没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表) k5 F: P! C4 y, I; g
well, just for clarification purpose
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i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.
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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表8 b$ |+ c# K% R8 s0 {, R" b
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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+ U! H6 F( N2 g2 o/ OOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.* j* z- |: l  ^2 o3 j6 e

/ Z& e; @4 d8 b6 a 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。; H( u! U6 i* _2 j
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表9 e4 r& t7 n# x; P

) L, H/ n" W( ~9 o- r 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。* W) F6 B4 P$ P& j4 D& \1 @$ a
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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: z6 U& r) T( N# |# d! X1 ni do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表6 J" {7 @, U1 B
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表
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i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.1 a, L# v* D! |) S! w4 t) h- t

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你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!
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还是灌水的正事儿要紧
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:14 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表3 R% E; D; _( `) Z
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表2 ^# g% Q1 E% ?1 ~9 H4 ~

0 Z# m1 Z# {( T* }/ _$ J- b' p- v看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
  }6 Y3 \8 R. T" q$ M6 ]6 B靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~

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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
3 u, M( X5 u9 a3 W' v再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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4 n5 q- r$ y( t8 y) E7 U) X1 问他们是否有东西缺了,   r: L, @6 n! j  I) M
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5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...

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7 e* o" s6 k+ A我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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. z! `, \* J" U真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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hahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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, e9 J) m( m3 _真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
! E6 {8 {, c, X6 p$ k# O; a/ t我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
/ P( K4 l  i- D% H- R6 s再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状  m1 Y8 \4 U% d

0 S; S" x4 q7 l, y! n1 问他们是否有东西缺了, 5 q/ _" J+ Q% N* t" t) F6 p
2 再问是否需要点其他的,
- ]' ^% b1 g: o! O, s8 Q5 A3 再问是否送得太慢, ; K" ?6 X- f& Q0 [! F; ]4 m5 o3 E
4 在问是否服务太差。
' R# O  D: M0 A0 ?( \! x5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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# @( L1 ?7 R9 |6 d" s; K这个应该管用!  
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表  ?/ p& Z. r* N
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* y* s( D4 U+ l, i) ?; d" l4 P唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
1 Q" N( |: x$ @8 I4 X0 W我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  % H  z' u6 R# P" p5 p
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咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  2 V- X  l. z- [9 M- M# G1 k) |4 _

% K' S$ i) R, S3 f' b. Q有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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