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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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4 U1 g* [) Y" [' Y3 J7 OFor Employer:
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9 [2 Y+ N$ P( f: |- IYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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! T. K/ |8 F6 f) Rhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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4 K3 p7 P) x6 l: @( ^& cUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!  o. A& q3 I+ G0 u# [: p

7 J; P' j/ t$ A" f( pSomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:50 编辑 ]
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...
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# s7 L% y/ H* [: R- t) j7 h' Z& XUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.+ G4 A2 y/ D5 c' @1 E

) d( _" m. W+ @& gBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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& R. T  ?: W5 k[ 本帖最后由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:50 编辑 ]
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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6 D. K, p* y& Y9 @0 ?! |8 j1 |& b; Rplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!6 o1 ]! ]9 n! [' e
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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:54 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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; ^0 K2 D) q# cUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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0 }* P" g( f# S" UYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing./ H9 L1 d) f1 N8 G3 x+ A) ~5 N8 c

" }$ F0 ^, Y; ]2 p( J/ Ctip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada9 Q8 f$ L- C6 Y; R$ u
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what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!
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haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence., F: L7 y6 Q6 n  G9 Z: }; m4 N

8 T% ~- k9 K& }; hBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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- j- ?! n7 K; Y; f7 iTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! 8 P* `+ \# _. R5 w1 Z

$ c% m& N3 [7 [' k4 e( C- }) vThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~7 J2 t& m& p. d

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写中文吧,各位~~
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原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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/ [; ?: d: [6 U$ ~+ l- [4 x: gThe exception is: so ...
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2 o- i4 {; }' t- Ghaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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- p" b, T! n! l. U6 Xthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
  ~1 j! e: ]) Y" [% dThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  " O! n3 u: E: @& j+ V- f

6 U; G3 ]" w6 C' a. b. MOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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, H+ T( @* q$ [Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.: h7 H9 ^6 o6 i3 d! Q
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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$ x7 @0 N. f% s) lwhen you are talking about ...
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9 L* h# |! ~, B4 f; ~' UI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表: d0 l) V3 S; \
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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. X( `; Z3 v. Wit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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4 p4 t$ ]4 M5 ?* jright, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表4 ]8 x2 U, ~: |* `/ h0 d) p

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) `- G% m3 }, V4 M4 u, b% Ndon't use big words that you don't understand.   
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  V8 l" s; B6 G. q  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:20 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表! W" o/ @: C7 f" w
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~( j9 i4 f( l- m+ j. t( b
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刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。; ~3 E$ J2 v5 q

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想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!
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1 U2 V! g1 P5 X0 K5 \7 u, N: C没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表1 k: A9 l7 K' L' O3 T
well, just for clarification purpose
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* ~% t3 r" c' q: N0 {i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.. _$ E) Z7 w: e3 e* \9 K

' K+ h! |5 ~- h) Si understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...
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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表& [) j2 H" S6 m" U9 {4 e: B
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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3 {% w1 F# C6 i: zthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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1 m$ m) ?+ Q! x8 W% I3 sOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.2 P9 n0 h; [8 S0 E1 [

5 C0 P+ _1 W) q 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
1 p' i6 l$ x" k; y( @如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去 " j) O' y  l& l& \+ y1 g

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$ ~$ p7 S) ]9 Z  K+ t% z* T你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:05 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表, B" X) n# u" l' L

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如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...2 v8 X  t9 Z- {: n) ], w
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hoho, how funny
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表0 [4 v7 u' P1 p" ^  W8 y
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i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.0 r) v! l$ J# M& \5 ^
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

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还是灌水的正事儿要紧
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:14 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表7 W. f2 l& k2 m

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6 M8 O- C7 b, e- i看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表1 S- n/ K+ D% w: w7 H- n
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:20 | 显示全部楼层
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
, k6 V% p" t% L靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~

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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表7 \" a- G4 \- i. u% J/ o; D6 g3 E
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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* G6 h+ y0 _5 q% S3 i& M1 问他们是否有东西缺了, ) f, l! z$ P1 g& M
2 再问是否需要点其他的, 5 I" G. X- A( M5 I( ]; ?4 l) a, @
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4 在问是否服务太差。
/ W3 y6 b; z! C* ?% l5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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这些招数值得一试。
0 a5 z1 b! n0 w6 d! i* H, x我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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hahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表& N9 l" _6 ]  C; v. p

4 t2 R4 S! s) q真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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9 N9 K- ^& b5 ^. B唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言   Z0 v; ]. i' C2 I$ L& p
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表5 \% l3 w0 j1 u
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了, 1 ~1 l. V( X$ U& m
2 再问是否需要点其他的, " U8 {% Z! @" B4 V
3 再问是否送得太慢, : {* \3 H, [6 o
4 在问是否服务太差。 ( Q0 I5 y1 F: a% P
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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这个应该管用!  
鲜花(634) 鸡蛋(5)
发表于 2006-11-27 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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) }5 x0 c- f! s. x; Q唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 . O3 a0 B& P1 N3 ]
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  2 o5 {4 m4 q+ f' Y$ ]$ u

9 Y0 H# D0 a) }3 @" J8 l咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  
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% X& u0 r1 h/ h$ m有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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