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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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4 Y8 k; }$ `5 b; x! d. bYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.; s7 v8 |$ b) s$ D% y: E( V
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:50 编辑 ]
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表; H% p9 }& e/ u( `* ?' s' F

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.% }* ]) M& f+ @% I) `5 [% k4 P% q& Y
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.8 _2 e4 b7 W7 ^' G

( |9 `  j3 \3 R3 P5 C* K. RBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.$ Z) G6 Q- \9 @  P6 b0 E

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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表; t' t  Y2 U) P$ c! [) B, ?7 c  y
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( `) z2 m! v* b. m1 XI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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7 G* `9 ^3 V) Q$ Q0 G2 @' r[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:54 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表7 x3 A' D- F5 S8 l  \) z- t$ t
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/ a2 U( |: o/ ?Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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2 q6 `, Z0 a+ ~( q; }But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.! U7 b: w) |/ p0 F2 }+ m

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3 ?% e5 W) v% F) \- Q& T/ awhen you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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; M' T# a; W* G' d3 w( Hplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表1 u: }6 \9 z, c( r
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.5 ~: H- U& s8 l' ~6 {
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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& ?0 C- L& ]* D* o6 |% }* WThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~7 R5 ]: H. I1 B9 T
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刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表5 {) d1 m  }) ^
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$ g: Y9 e6 \" U1 l& M( PTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! . E/ N* z8 |  A; }3 F- }% Z1 I

8 x, Z# x2 g* D6 S: S3 {) d9 B% ZThe exception is: so ...
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# I% w( C2 o; _haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.4 \; L5 k# i+ E  G
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  . k0 I  V9 ~: v) H/ _
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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- n* |4 c( f, F& s/ eI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表; Y4 x4 ^, r0 ]) y* f
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表
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don't use big words that you don't understand.   
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:20 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表! U0 ?7 Q, Z4 I  q. h
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~. R/ T5 Y! K' S3 U0 w9 ?- }
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刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。
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写中文吧,各位~~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
& y3 W' @7 m; {8 Ewell, just for clarification purpose& K3 c3 d3 g+ h4 s# w
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i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.' L4 h) c  _4 Q- t$ q) R3 \9 [! q
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i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...

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; O. q4 w* l2 G4 e, f大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。+ C, k) c( F  Q: J

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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表3 A' u) L8 y* w4 r6 ?8 c9 b4 E
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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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the point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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4 ^" n7 L; s3 j, J! F  ?Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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+ C5 c$ [4 j  g& H7 E1 ?8 @: \0 ], s 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
" `0 b( p, c2 G: O. G如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:05 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。# V* [: i5 ]  a  J) |
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...% D0 a3 S5 k: p. J9 x" G0 \" t2 F
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:11 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表6 B/ P9 W0 }1 I; v; u2 `/ k! j
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表% @1 I8 o7 }7 w: r7 t

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+ p; \) ?8 d$ M  g6 P2 j! d你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!
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还是灌水的正事儿要紧
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:14 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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正全力督办此事。
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:20 | 显示全部楼层
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
% }/ C2 K) g# [/ x" U; l4 f* H靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表. i# d# K( V+ ?3 J
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
4 v7 e" k1 ]! b2 再问是否需要点其他的,
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5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...

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我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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) U/ Q  y- P4 f& u" Ghahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表3 v  Z0 B2 ~+ a" a, e
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
1 o7 {' G5 j# h) w: k1 j再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状4 ]- E- G0 k) I7 b  b& k
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了, 1 e/ s% a' |* L! |
2 再问是否需要点其他的, 1 `3 K! d5 }: Q3 ]
3 再问是否送得太慢,
" ^  d/ ^; W2 b* J4 在问是否服务太差。
' ?* D, l2 w. }7 f* f' V- R; Q0 M( }5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...

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这个应该管用!  
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言 - a* O# T' F* d, e
我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~

/ o% D5 M0 E3 r; v8 [笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  
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咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  , C7 V5 {& s4 X2 ], r8 }
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有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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