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送外卖,不给小费正常吗?

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发表于 2006-11-27 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表' S2 z: v1 |, v4 C5 [
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For Employer:
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You may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.
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+ @# `9 T  k9 v9 U8 c6 Nhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.* \# P3 m! t. G7 [+ Y

' ^" X# ]/ q2 W3 k* RUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?( j/ N0 V6 u1 l( b6 ^
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表( o. B+ M) J* I& `; z9 f

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.' L5 w+ }: \) G$ Y4 a

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence./ o0 @5 U9 I$ r
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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3 P, B8 f. M( x0 l, {% S[ 本帖最后由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:50 编辑 ]
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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6 {4 C5 G4 S" h! l' r6 C) e  }please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!! A" U: ?4 m2 y7 s
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表+ z" J. x2 N/ D3 {
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& O: P: `4 Z8 iUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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( w  U3 [( G1 j0 T4 rBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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: W' w* C5 m+ H. x1 H2 Z0 |8 mYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.0 ^. l: [5 @& U* u$ S/ }+ B4 I

7 M9 y5 }  {2 Otip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada0 m4 \- F9 n" x+ M# X$ r( X# b
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what's the logic there?4 E7 S0 u* z9 B4 c7 t/ l
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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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" P" S# U% e- j/ O1 L- |- ~please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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3 j2 e" I# l0 F5 ohaha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.
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原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表+ P3 V8 G3 r; ~
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.6 I3 c, j. A# l: u) b5 @1 x2 I, L
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense
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发表于 2006-11-27 12:58 | 显示全部楼层
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全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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  v3 z' B8 l! @+ t* x" ~刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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# c' E5 b" f  f! fTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!! - q8 G8 G' E$ a% A; T
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The exception is: so ...

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  Y* \9 i! S9 @haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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* D" y4 K1 I; x: P+ Z2 Vthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
4 E  H* `& l4 _There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  & Y4 m2 ^0 i* @, n* ~

2 }" u/ |4 ?- z8 A% mOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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: Z) h7 g' F' O( g[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:12 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表, }' k& o$ _& g2 ~1 h
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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada6 M$ Y" I7 J* n
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what's the logic there?9 E: T3 J  Q9 U

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  # B& |  ^5 @/ q1 T( }9 `
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right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表: h9 Y  f3 h7 {+ }
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, L4 M6 f) b. \. Y, tdon't use big words that you don't understand.   

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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表  r0 `5 N. b5 B6 c
全是英语呀? 上这来就是来看中文的呀~~
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( a6 s+ E# i4 N% n) [刚看了好几篇paper,头都大了。
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写中文吧,各位~~
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想跟着灌,插不进嘴~
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:36 | 显示全部楼层
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俺是胆小怕事的主儿,原想用英文回英文,竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的(英文)词,唉,惭愧呀!
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0 Q; y$ E+ N- f' \$ U! G8 i没有人找到加国的税法?我是没辄,公司的LAP TOP给BLOCK了 
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:46 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表- p2 w1 G$ c7 ?3 S
well, just for clarification purpose4 F& x% u0 P& Z. M: m) Q

6 \$ ?; `/ T- E+ J2 R. Gi am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.; `; i3 ~5 S3 o! ?! u7 R' [  ]
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i understand that the waiters/waitresses and other pe ...
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这小妮子真要讲理哈!
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, d3 N( X' R1 Z& |5 S) f1 K% m) A' q大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做:习俗常规(custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文,比如你当众放屁谁也管不着,甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的,别人还会善意的微笑,但是你天天吃黄豆,到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股,你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈,不举那么多例子了。4 n, j) T" ^1 s: K! v/ T9 B
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费(少于10%, 给不给差不多)。。。难怪人家stereotype
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发表于 2006-11-27 13:55 | 显示全部楼层
LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表
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6 Y+ T; e- Z/ y7 d, L# P) bhaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder./ h' g. m& i* [; v4 U& N9 D

; ?, I4 t) |* E9 W) M8 o4 C6 \# s9 Tthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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: P6 m1 A6 F& Z( rOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。' c: j! c, ~5 a6 v! @
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了!随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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4 B0 G- s  e- s- m$ f你别捣乱了,可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧!
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表+ k0 H0 {/ U6 H! U) Q

0 }4 B2 K& b" ?9 X1 ] 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗?就是虽不为法,但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。: t3 n8 f0 o6 a, b& y
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你别捣乱了,可怜可怜 ...

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5 [) q. Z# Y: E/ qi do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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" l3 b, \" V% c* s9 p+ j7 gi was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候,政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了,所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...2 _% X+ ^7 p/ \, r! K
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
又搞这么多英语
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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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: w& n3 i# K: v% I( ~/ l/ V是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~
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原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表& K8 }3 f8 l- O* `5 u4 O
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...
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你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!
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还是灌水的正事儿要紧
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表3 r6 h- H* E4 |- {9 J
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是,英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的,没有法律支持的道德只是空谈~

. l& u9 g; J0 b# o% g看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!
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看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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正全力督办此事。
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:20 | 显示全部楼层
靠,老哈不给面子,说侵犯他人权,他第一个反对,我正在努力游说议会中~
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
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2 m5 N1 a. f* J8 f1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
9 g2 D4 ?2 w+ n) v) B. n4 h2 再问是否需要点其他的, " }' R3 N  A% [. P1 v$ P: ~. E
3 再问是否送得太慢, 1 Z) M, G) G$ h) F; A
4 在问是否服务太差。
( @  w1 S  W' M* h8 v: N9 w1 ?5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅,更绝,收费的时候直接把小费要出来,15%。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的,记得以前学得很多外语资料(英语和法语)都有这样介绍的。
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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: u: ]! o' V2 r% v6 p7 z1 X真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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hahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,
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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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5 x6 @3 U8 g' u" x5 h真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
' U  A7 H: a1 N& Z9 P, i我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~
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发表于 2006-11-27 14:29 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表9 l' G5 b" r8 Q$ R
再按门铃, 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次, 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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' a. q5 `' m- m, {& Y5 |1 问他们是否有东西缺了,
: ~9 I0 I) K: D% M2 再问是否需要点其他的,
' Z) M7 _; g1 m1 d' p3 再问是否送得太慢,
- o+ @- X" [% \! W' p4 在问是否服务太差。 # w" S3 e1 b* a
5 最后,说白了如果不是服务差, ...
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这个应该管用!  
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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  |) N0 @$ r5 {& m2 s5 `4 m唉,俺可不是说了吗?可老哈说屁股大,鼻子小,小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
  H0 \, }# `5 f# {0 V( o我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉,三大妈有空也来吧,咱好好给他讲讲~

" }" Q1 H1 z" s: M笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  , T+ E9 _$ M! s2 _1 v1 n* x! `1 [

! u' L$ M( u, l) `6 V咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  # l4 \. W1 ^' Q* J; g' ?6 a; K5 {

$ X4 [! i( r! X. u& k' A$ l) Y有空也不敢去, 你们有在国内耍过猴的给我看孩子才使得.
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