送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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4 U1 g* [) Y" [' Y3 J7 OFor Employer:
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9 [2 Y+ N$ P( f: |- IYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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! T. K/ |8 F6 f) Rhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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4 K3 p7 P) x6 l: @( ^& cUS law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!

7 J; P' j/ t$ A" f( pSomeone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

# s7 L% y/ H* [: R- t) j7 h' Z& XUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

) d( _" m. W+ @& gBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

6 D. K, p* y& Y9 @0 ?! |8 j1 |& b; Rplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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; ^0 K2 D) q# cUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

0 }* P" g( f# S" UYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

" }$ F0 ^, Y; ]2 p( J/ Ctip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

what's the logic there?
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when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

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- j- ?! n7 K; Y; f7 iTo Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

$ c% m& N3 [7 [' k4 e( C- }) vThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

/ I" [3 G: d+ O' Q( ^刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。

写中文吧，各位～～

elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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/ [; ?: d: [6 U$ ~+ l- [4 x: gThe exception is: so ...

2 o- i4 {; }' t- Ghaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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- p" b, T! n! l. U6 Xthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
  ~1 j! e: ]) Y" [% dThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  

6 U; G3 ]" w6 C' a. b. MOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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9 L* h# |! ~, B4 f; ~' UI am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表


I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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. X( `; Z3 v. Wit's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  
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4 p4 t$ ]4 M5 ?* jright, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表

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) `- G% m3 }, V4 M4 u, b% Ndon't use big words that you don't understand.   

  V8 l" s; B6 G. q  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:

猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。

7 G- ]) E( P( I* q2 j5 F# ]写中文吧，各位～～

想跟着灌，插不进嘴～

OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！
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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
well, just for clarification purpose
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这小妮子真要讲理哈！

大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。
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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表

haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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3 {% w1 F# C6 i: zthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
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1 m$ m) ?+ Q! x8 W% I3 sOr maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.

5 C0 P+ _1 W) q 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
1 p' i6 l$ x" k; y( @如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去

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elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表

" y6 l4 l1 a+ {2 A 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...

hoho, how funny
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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

猪刀小试

原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表


i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.

i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

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还是灌水的正事儿要紧

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表

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6 M8 O- C7 b, e- i看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表

看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

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猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
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francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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2 再问是否需要点其他的，
3 再问是否送得太慢，
4 在问是否服务太差。
/ W3 y6 b; z! C* ?% l5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这些招数值得一试。
0 a5 z1 b! n0 w6 d! i* H, x我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表

4 t2 R4 S! s) q真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉，三大妈有空也来吧，咱好好给他讲讲～

酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
2 再问是否需要点其他的，
3 再问是否送得太慢，
4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表
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我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉，三大妈有空也来吧，咱好好给他讲讲～

笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  

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