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Terwillegar给无家可归的人建那个公寓对小区有多大影响

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Rutherford 17 Ave. 114 st. 是廉卖房。 Habitat for  humanity.
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北山 发表于 2013-7-6 15:58
0 S: U, c& ?% a2 l5 t; |  pRutherford 17 Ave. 114 st. 是廉卖房。 Habitat for  humanity.

4 x7 q, \4 M: i" V1 ~0 }$ ~5 @" |Rutherfor 小区属不属于Terwillegar 区?
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北山 发表于 2013-7-6 15:58
5 {0 O- z. {) f  {  zRutherford 17 Ave. 114 st. 是廉卖房。 Habitat for  humanity.
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什么是廉卖房子,你指的是教会学校那开始建立的公寓吗,什么条件能买廉卖房子呀?记得北京好象是摇号,买的还真不是穷人,哈哈.
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发表于 2013-7-6 18:20 | 显示全部楼层
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"Rutherfor 小区属不属于Terwillegar 区?"
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我爱music 发表于 2013-7-6 18:12
6 f4 x# X9 H# s8 n5 ?( c什么是廉卖房子,你指的是教会学校那开始建立的公寓吗,什么条件能买廉卖房子呀?记得北京好象是摇号,买的 ...
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北京也有廉租房啊。记得当年有一户人家还和锦涛握过手,照片上了报纸。租金是70元每月,激动得一把鼻涕一把泪。9 t. _  E2 K2 i- k9 d8 X8 a. M
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过了一年,那家就被让强行搬走。他还纳闷呢,以为握过手了就能住一辈子了。
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发表于 2013-7-6 18:23 | 显示全部楼层
“什么是廉卖房子,你指的是教会学校那开始建立的公寓吗,什么条件能买廉卖房子呀?记得北京好象是摇号,买的还真不是穷人,哈哈.”( A& V0 f( k8 h( s5 g4 D

$ b5 y3 F% w! M8 S去google查 " habitat for humanity edmonton"
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发表于 2013-7-6 18:49 | 显示全部楼层
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好好的一个小区,非要这么折腾,坚决给议员写信反对。
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发表于 2013-7-6 23:32 | 显示全部楼层
是中国组织的教会吗?原以为是做好事,原来是要收钱的,这样目的就不纯了
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anweica 发表于 2013-7-5 20:19 " a# O+ @4 x# |" k& y/ {8 X7 ^  P+ B
住TERWILLEGER的朋友不用担心,这些homeless主要都是在商业区活动,ambleside那么多商店,还有电影院,会是 ...
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是这么回事。' b% ]& y5 X/ @# }  v0 Q
这个东西虽说建在terwillegar town, 其实就在terwillegar town, south terwillegar, haddow 之间。 离 windermere and ambleside也比较近,特别是那里有一个商业中心,人流量大,估计homeless喜欢去那里捡瓶子。一个老鼠屎坏了一锅汤啊。  i: Z; }+ j& R
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北方茉莉 发表于 2013-7-5 23:00
. {5 C4 p7 x0 n" i% @6 ^! k网站上说会提供public van. 所以交通没问题,只是苦了邻居的居民,本来住得好好的。还有,那边有个很好的 ...

: D% d+ V, L7 |9 @1 S* A% Z6 C8 Y搞不明白选这个location. 对homeless很不方便啊,他们也不会喜欢这样的安排。即使提供public van, 但homeless要的就是自由啊,public van也不能随叫随到,应改是有固定时间的。
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发表于 2013-7-7 22:44 | 显示全部楼层
这个东西一建,周边terwillegar-windermere 以及riverben的都会受影响。再说要找一个交通方便,有学校 (K9及高中),近汽车总站, 近recreation center, 房子新点,价格不高的也不好找啊。
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发表于 2013-7-8 07:23 | 显示全部楼层
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赶紧卖那里的房子吧,能离多远离多远
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发表于 2013-7-8 07:33 | 显示全部楼层
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交通方便,近汽车站,有public recreation 等本来就不是高档地区的标志,平民和这些被救济的穷人对生活方便度的要求是一样的。定这家计划的组织选的区是对的,选的地点考虑到了让穷人生活方便。一般真的好的区,哪有近公共设施的?想去建在沿河和溪谷的豪宅区,即使80%市民投票支持估计也建不成。这个项目很困难被反对掉,挨它附近的,房价一定会跌的。
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7 d" g: u$ M5 h* U6 W. aOMG, do you guys really think you are a better class and treat others as "second class citizen"?
6 ~% T/ O" G8 b' h6 o' P0 E4 p8 oso many igorant chinese people here,
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发表于 2013-7-8 07:51 | 显示全部楼层
亮甲店 发表于 2013-7-8 07:49
, z% E/ m5 B( r$ o: jOMG, do you guys really think you are better class and treat others as "second class citizen"?
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Class do exist. Most of us had 16 or more years of class. It's not possible to write it off.
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发表于 2013-7-8 08:09 | 显示全部楼层
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亮甲店 发表于 2013-7-8 08:49 ! M  e% X9 y* n% D' c
OMG, do you guys really think you are a better class and treat others as "second class citizen"?& n4 [) V( U  X% v9 M* n% m6 l
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不是class心理. 你住多downtown吧,见多那些人吧, 你喜欢全屯子都看到这些人吗? ! u, w6 x1 Q, O0 A* B8 q2 r
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记得前两年前还是去年 40 ave 116 stree那个附近的学校Richard Secord School的窗户被砸事件吗?那个学校旁边就是一个廉租房, 那里的孩子很凶悍的,一家都5,6个孩子. 去playgroud都得紧紧看着自家孩子,不然一会有人几个孩子过去欺负你. 人家那是撒开养的, 出来玩很少见有大人跟,都是一个大孩子带着一帮一帮的,不知道他们是一家还是几家. 窗户被砸好像就跟那的学生有关吧.
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发表于 2013-7-8 08:27 | 显示全部楼层
我们觉得homeless贩毒,抽草,谋杀+枪击。
5 K+ A0 u0 A5 K' v# u% o0 W. H) G奇怪的是主流白货看亚洲人才是贩毒,黑帮,谋杀的主要成员。我说中国人不碰毒,他们哈哈大笑,说中国人是穿西装领带手提suite case的dealer,而且亲眼见过买过,只不过做老板不上街而已。
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到底谁才是犯罪的源头? homeless or Asian?
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kelvin 发表于 2013-7-8 09:27
0 X% _1 K. p) P' m. x9 D我们觉得homeless贩毒,抽草,谋杀+枪击。 , i( @% r2 L+ N. t4 G4 a. }+ M: W& a6 Q
奇怪的是主流白货看亚洲人才是贩毒,黑帮,谋杀的主要成员。我 ...
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都有吧, 这边抽大烟合法, 抽着抽着就不过瘾,开始上毒了吗?- z9 W1 G8 S/ Z7 x7 h
记得听人说这边孩子高中以后,西人为主吧,一般都有吸毒历史.
3 k% s/ G  d9 w我老公说他同事以前整天让他试试大烟,还好我老公说闻着就恶心没有去试.
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发表于 2013-7-8 20:27 | 显示全部楼层
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ayakao 发表于 2013-7-8 08:33 ! K6 F! R7 \6 {- ]8 [
交通方便,近汽车站,有public recreation 等本来就不是高档地区的标志,平民和这些被救济的穷人对生活方便 ...

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平民和homeless还是有区别的,平民阶层一般都有车吧。这个小区对平民来说还是不错的, 那个地点对平民来说生活就没问题了, 开车去哪度方便。
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OMG, do you guys really think you are a better class and treat others as "second class citizen"?  Q$ q3 L4 S0 W4 g$ G
so ...
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我可以把我家买给你 让你来奉献你的大爱
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亮甲店 发表于 2013-7-8 08:49 ' n$ H9 F3 M+ {! j. p- F% v
OMG, do you guys really think you are a better class and treat others as "second class citizen"?
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发表于 2013-7-8 22:58 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
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终于可以在高尚小区按喇叭了。
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发表于 2013-7-9 20:43 | 显示全部楼层
没准是跟国内的政府廉租房一样,住进去的都是政府的亲戚、homeless professional 不是homeless 流浪汉。所以,不用担心啦啦啦啦啦。。。。
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kelvin 发表于 2013-7-8 09:27
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奇怪的是主流白货看亚洲人才是贩毒,黑帮,谋杀的主要成员。我 ...
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the later
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发表于 2013-7-9 22:50 | 显示全部楼层
会不会影响到周围的其他的区呢?
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发表于 2013-7-10 06:47 | 显示全部楼层
转帖:Opinion: Putting a family face on homelessness
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BY SALENA KITTERINGHAM, EDMONTON JOURNAL
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. h! _2 C$ J$ ^( `! IAt the end of June, my dad gave me the sad news that my uncle Roger was dead. He had died in 2010 in Thunder Bay, Ont., with no personal possessions, probably homeless as he had been living transient for about a decade.
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As far as my father knew, no one from the funeral home had contacted anyone from the family. I don’t know if that is standard practice when a homeless person dies, but there was no phone call from the police as far as we know. Maybe my grandma had been contacted or maybe she didn’t know.
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In either scenario, it doesn’t take a professional psychologist to see Roger’s homelessness as one of the factors weighing heavily on her heart when she took her own life in February 2011.
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: t+ r7 n. p6 P$ \, O( cWe only found out about Roger’s death because my uncle Dave had Googled Roger’s name, as he and I and many other family members had done so many times over the years. Only this particular time an obituary actually came up.7 c( F, v& h; \+ t
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No doubt there were many volunteers over the years who served Roger Thanksgiving dinner and I do want to thank each and every one of them.! `, |3 e' R6 N0 U+ O0 D
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I would, however, want them to understand that his reason for being was not simply to make them feel fortunate and good about themselves, and that on the other 364 days of the year, when he was out of their minds, pretty much invisible to them, he remained on my mind./ v9 [  n+ I, g1 y

8 e: b8 L  k% b% E" zI would tell them that Roger had a big family that loved him. My dad’s half-brother brought together two families. He was my uncle but only six years older than me, so he was more like a big brother.$ u# e' a1 v. f' @, z

+ |  z4 Y2 k3 g8 }I would tell them how he loved heavy metal, and even though he was a banger, it was Roger who bought me Madonna’s True Blue on cassette.
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I would tell them how he once filled a shoebox with candy for my birthday when I turned nine. Bubble gum tape. Lollipops. Nerds., X3 F- u$ q/ c
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And I would tell them how it was with Roger on a cloudy August afternoon on the deck in my parents’ backyard that I shared my first legal beer. Of course that wasn’t our first beer together.8 y2 W$ q- l/ T5 u/ ?

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5 [3 C! s3 W  ^7 _Yes. He had a lot of great art, including a terrifying death metal clown face and a third eye that watched his back from spraying bullets when he turned 19 in Bosnia while wearing a blue UN peacekeeper’s helmet.) z9 Z3 p+ i( ~' p/ i
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I would tell them how in the letters he wrote to me, then a 14-year-old girl in Red Deer, that he said, “There is no telling the good guys from the bad guys in Bosnia. They all rape the other’s women.”
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, I8 }2 d! R' B/ I1 ]% \I would tell them that he came back to us a broken man at 20. How he couldn’t hold down a job. That he lived in our basement and slept on our couch for weeks at a time.5 G) J  V+ g/ [0 Y0 S
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Was he diseased?
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Yes. When he crashed his motorcycle, the CT scan showed an inoperable tumour.
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I would tell them how he refused what little treatment they could have given him and how he just upped and left us, leaving a fully furnished apartment vacant. He just went.. K/ Y. O0 J. m, [# M0 R8 I
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, O3 L2 g! F' n8 F3 Z, Q* ~. YI would tell them how the police called to tell us his vehicle was left abandoned in Toronto, and how the Salvation Army shelter called my grandma one time to tell her that he was OK./ I2 E" `# i3 w. b+ e. ~4 O

# y" \7 f. X5 n* q) K* {Was he to blame for his lifestyle? Not unless you can prove heavy metal causes brain cancer.1 G8 c! d- W% I0 C4 ]8 x/ s5 {
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I’ve decided to share this personal information with the hopes that it might put a human face on homelessness at a time when very narrow perspectives are being shared very widely by Terwillegar residents concerned about an affordable housing complex going into their community.
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6 V# e% O8 E7 _Homelessness cuts close to the bone for me, even as I sit comfortably in my own affluent home, deep in southwest Edmonton. I won’t sit here in silence anymore about how hurtful, upsetting, narrow-minded and just plain wrong have been many of the comments posted on Terwillegar Speaks concerning the homeless.$ n/ j! v" y  n' \' p6 I

* }' v" N- \4 ?; M# L1 W5 pWhat I would like to say to those people is this: The City of Edmonton is committed to ending homelessness in the next decade. It will take more than serving Thanksgiving dinner once a year to make it happen.$ l4 H# l* c# i
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If you are not prepared to be changed by new information, open your hearts and community to people who were formerly homeless, people who are turning their lives around, people who are gainfully employed and will be paying rent to live in your community, perhaps it is you who are in the wrong place.
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( a3 ^+ ~- a. }) X& B6 z# M& LTo those of you who say you are not affluent, I say there are many people in Edmonton who make more money than you do, and plenty more who make less, but if your wealth depends on keeping others poor, then you will never truly be wealthy.# }! O- }9 S# c: X

0 ^; q. Z( R$ O/ K8 vCall me idealistic — I’ve been called worse — but I have to believe Terwillegar Speaks represents a very vocal but very minor number of people’s views in that part of my city.
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Salena Kitteringham is an Edmonton freelance writer and regular contributor to the Journal’s Arts & Life section.
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Pandorabox 发表于 2013-7-10 06:47
) h' G5 l7 N; R# o$ H4 P2 l转帖:Opinion: Putting a family face on homelessness
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非常赞同。建议大家读完。- P- |2 a; }/ A( F' ^0 m0 R
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这篇文章充分说明政府拨款1200万造 homeless shelter 是愚蠢之举。
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转帖:Opinion: Putting a family face on homelessness
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BY SALENA KITTERINGHAM, EDMONTON JOURNAL

- P% n' W" H" s/ G3 X2 u写这个文章的左逼在煽情的时候根本没有逻辑。以他叔叔的性格,就算有这个房子他也不会去住,因为他自己都放弃了。甚至他自己也不认可他叔叔的生活方式,凭什么指责小区居民维护自己权利的行为?完全是“我吹冲锋号,你去送死。”的嘴脸。

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如花  在2013-7-10 08:36  送朵鲜花  并说:我非常同意你的观点,送朵鲜花鼓励一下
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发表于 2013-7-10 22:09 | 显示全部楼层
爱城中文网的热点主题里,一共是十个热门帖子。这个话题的帖子就占了六个,比例太大了。换个新话题吧。
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