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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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鲜花(345) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
( C) q# Q+ @  W2 D! C8 Z/ c& B% Q嗯,很多牛人。的确是。
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当然,也有混的啦

" d! f, a* L4 B3 r- j5 u5 x! M我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
鲜花(345) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31 " P6 L$ p3 D4 v9 M# s+ J1 _: s9 c
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...
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那么你是没有试用期吗?
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
1 o0 u( X* N! o" x6 H) X7 Bcard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,- g4 t0 c& X2 {  q* T& f
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
; g' `$ \! L4 a; Mme these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32 % o3 a; u$ D) b) I! ^
还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。
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  H& u, K. c, O6 W你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...
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In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
' B0 B2 e: }9 t7 l, {3 Y6 R9 ^Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...
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其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
: i6 d" S; n! S/ G/ N/ U; Q其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

+ Z0 |7 J9 j* d0 D/ m" wno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,8 e" T" f! E7 H
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
" N# o5 e9 M3 s/ B3 ]Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
6 s! F2 W2 v5 y+ c5 g3 Y1 Sask insurance company pay, no me! 4 u7 I9 B; X! U9 A
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
大型搬家
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
7 w& G) W  x0 N3 W: q/ V. I6 pno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
. f' R* g# d- O) e9 i$ b+ {0 I5 \I like vwry much, it i ...

3 n/ K. z( _# _/ M8 @1 B4 E1 x你还是没有理解我的话.
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8 K+ U) T% {( [2 L& OContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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1 f4 O; c8 Z5 {# I2 O* O而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

5 c9 a9 c  d# L( l! z6 t" Bclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth0 t/ ^% N9 s6 @$ w# x0 r7 a' e& I0 p' ?
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
7 O8 j( w4 Q& xaccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
" X" e4 S4 r$ n+ I8 WIn the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
! v0 g( S) R* u$ Hhow long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
) g) r) |4 j, u+ t7 x你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
$ ]4 x( H1 W  V9 g: }四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

- s/ C' n# ?) q) M3 t姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
3 H$ d, ]6 v' P; W% L. e; Jarea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer$ Y6 z9 z7 V& {
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
8 r+ G) X& ]+ X1 D! rcome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario. 4 }8 @% D. E% h' ?6 U* t  j
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.9 s4 X- Q; _1 t6 C- ~
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
9 v. b$ H0 d8 l  c2 t: iThanks! lovely small girl!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 2 x9 {- d- c/ S, l
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

; U* @1 o+ L5 e/ p7 `我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.; W# Q* y! }) y* |8 F4 O

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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
4 a$ g+ v0 w4 e4 n$ w; fI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose& O% U# z, A2 o0 g3 ^
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving2 E$ G* k- n2 o( o/ |. y
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑
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+ x' D3 Q$ \9 n: t合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
3 Y) J9 L8 b; D/ S+ L6 \我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。
1 m7 i! D8 x- M# s) X6 V这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。" o, Z1 B+ _( V& g- [& B
印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。6 p, v8 G2 e, Z/ Z8 o
世界不是你一个人的,即使是毛公这样的政治家,有杀子之仇恨的美国,都要建交,所以适当使用妥协,也是一种很好的途径。
8 W' d" h2 W- ~# M; Q+ w: P当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
本帖最后由 JoyceAccSG 于 2013-3-16 22:02 编辑
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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 4 O. _7 F# ~5 N+ I1 v
你还是没有理解我的话.
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, m0 s& E5 `$ H$ ^2 yContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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4 S. Q8 j, h0 |7 z# x+ E, A3 `7 gThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
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        Basic                 100%
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        Periodontics                 100%: Q$ X% m* b6 q
        Preventative                 100%
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1 W. o! r$ c2 _# z! x' F        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56 / }+ i# A1 F9 p
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,. H9 ~, t: M; ], I- t1 N
because  ...
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谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.% s. f7 z! l- y; Y
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好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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5 L/ ?# n8 Y* ~至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。
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所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
% D$ Z3 v' D: E$ n成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
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鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
9 M( O8 ^* W4 M" g/ J. L谢谢你啊.
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6 q+ i6 l1 ^3 C还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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I will, thanks!( Q9 W" `2 F+ k/ D+ X
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never2 y1 `" V& t$ C4 L, {
management.
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