合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

7 B) L0 t  I1 _) m9 H当然，也有混的啦

2 C* s. S1 T- F$ x! [: r4 X0 h我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
6 t, d2 ^1 y" i' [# p( l8 o$ r% lmy landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
  b% \* u1 w$ ~9 N( k$ D. bI will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
% @* ?5 }' {% k! [+ Ame these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
: c9 m6 N3 c4 E% w5 z! y9 L' K! `还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

( ~& d3 {0 B1 {$ D  B6 C/ _/ b你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

/ R  F8 j  A7 V5 w& d* b, pIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

4 H0 f6 U/ ?8 l3 ~% u6 f  i' q其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

1 G/ ^9 P4 k: F% |6 D8 dno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
% C" A0 f1 i5 w- q8 v/ [. R7 |4 GI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
+ R, j, K' A9 yTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
9 U( V0 z$ u3 gask insurance company pay, no me!
! y* _% B/ C; }) N( n5 t6 o  _/ wWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.
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% [- R6 f: Z; x& u( @& P  eContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

1 w3 ?9 z, `) n$ B$ T$ K2 VContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
8 U+ Y; ?4 [; ~how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
( S0 D- d0 P3 L1 p你还是没有理解我的话.

- c! r3 B8 _6 {- _% W2 ~& ^% @Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
% e& X* p+ P& I0 B! z9 b4 I10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
2 \- N! X. u7 l8 `& @Thanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

9 F) `3 p8 u, \/ H# ]5 f我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.

洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.

8 v2 X; v1 W! W1 \0 c6 D象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
; w- J0 `; |4 I( a! ~the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
) k# y4 F7 X+ ]2 _8 }我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
8 Y$ L0 n6 X! {这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.
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6 [- T! j5 o  k0 r6 C1 K* z: xContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
* _0 B; O5 i0 U" @$ mbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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Dental Benefits Summary:
Benefit Type         Payable At
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Routine               
        Basic                 100%
        Endodontics                 100%
        Periodontics                 100%
        Preventative                 100%
       
) G5 D  H4 A6 P: g) E9 R        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
0 P! e/ e# L3 s: D" lThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because  ...

9 Z# g- o3 _; u3 f0 d谢谢你啊.
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* {. @4 u0 Q0 W6 t/ t1 x还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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' l. L& z7 E8 g& `' C好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.

- v& g+ }. C  \& U7 z; s# a' C% ^% n至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

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中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
, W. X# c" Q$ F  _: ]' P成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
谢谢你啊.

& Y( ~6 ?7 h! k* _0 ~还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

, T& d) k; T) vI will, thanks!
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
management.