合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
$ U+ M) u8 {7 k' `' N* l嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

当然，也有混的啦

( f9 m, r+ n, R7 o我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

  _+ }: ~# B% g$ z那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
. u8 V$ A3 h  @& f6 ]I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
& ^/ Z0 C& Q; B$ dme these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
3 ~6 m, X* ?9 P# C5 {$ Z$ K还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

* O; v* Z' `8 P6 d3 z& n- ~4 e& i你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

/ j; N+ e( B7 S' O/ gIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
- E8 O3 O  x6 y  t/ y! M: U) A5 @Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

6 D1 r' A( S2 {. Q其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
1 z  z* }: E$ C( V+ l其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

5 O8 A/ S4 K& X  @% ~, }no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
4 T& j+ j! J- ^5 A7 w0 L3 gTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
ask insurance company pay, no me!
6 d3 b4 m7 v3 [/ q4 B% PWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
2 o) ]* F* _, N3 f* j  n' T8 @I like vwry much, it i ...

! O; k3 Y2 E; I  Z: x5 N5 |& q" x你还是没有理解我的话.

1 E5 c; j5 L+ ]/ O  nContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?

象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

! r" C0 I/ o6 |3 `/ \0 F1 V  zContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

2 C5 Q( y$ F- s& @( d& X  f2 wclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
9 N+ ^; l- ^# Q! N0 o8 _% @every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
# G) C0 x9 }! ?/ G  x1 Baccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
5 w" q4 p! g5 U; |In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
9 r; A5 h. c: H你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

& ~4 D+ B# _/ F' Z四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
, }* O5 ~" F3 Y3 V% uarea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
& Z, {9 V2 P) \# ca single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
6 r' b; }2 l2 z$ g10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
; V" O8 E) W5 Y- ]Thanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.

洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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1 w) I$ d+ `  }" `/ X+ C象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
$ ~6 |  ~5 U: ~+ CI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
* e/ D. H) z+ ~. o% m6 j$ C" Gthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
! X& m* {2 X- A' g& ~# A当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
& t* t# x8 r# _6 rbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please

' e& i, A' @* r# nDental Benefits Summary:
Benefit Type         Payable At
! h4 K  G3 Q& s       
Routine               
( w- v$ n0 M4 z$ Y4 A6 f3 c        Basic                 100%
# z, \' L0 g/ U- e) H! ^# E, _5 N        Endodontics                 100%
" O' q% y# F8 H" }( i/ A        Periodontics                 100%
4 [7 d- A8 R2 y4 b+ @        Preventative                 100%
       
- ~, U8 a3 B8 I/ D2 S        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because  ...

( J) P& l2 A5 f) y4 u( G谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.

至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

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中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

6 g. F# n! X: |所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

I will, thanks!
  _! N  A( J! P% }. Q4 V7 BI was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
1 `6 q% y) P* Emanagement.