请教高人：CIBC Mortgage Cash Back Offer是不是很好？

caifan

刚刚打电话给CIBC问 cash back offer的详情，大致如下：
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: }7 I9 j# {  t$ `/ W* Y' {% U1。三年固定利率3.3%, cash back 2%;
/ t& z. t' R- m% q5 O2。五年固定利率3.99%, cash back 2%.
3。按照银行网站，五年固定利率5.39%, cash back 5%

另，做mortgage transfer, 而不是refinance, 银行可以支付lawyer's fee。
* L) b1 }0 m" n" G% y感觉选择3最值。各位高人有何高见？

caifan

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cibc的人好像是这么给我推算的：
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- E0 G9 ~0 N5 n5 _2%现金返还三年期，相当于每年2/3=0.67%的折扣，3.3-0.67=实际利率2.63%
2%现金返还五年期，相当于每年2/5=0.4%的折扣，3.99-0.4=实际利率3.59%
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) H7 A$ d$ ~" f$ T8 p按他的算法，5%现金返还五年期，相当于每年5/5=1%的折扣，5.39-1=实际利率4.39%，不是特别好。
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, j( g3 B$ e/ `% ~我觉得他的算法不精确，好像是假定你会把cash back花掉。如果把cash back马上用于还贷，整个的贷款额就降低了，所以cash back越高越好。

Pierce.CIBC

Let's say a customer wants to transfer $400,000 mortgage to CIBC. He has 2 options.
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0 P' C2 r  H4 p5 u2.   5-year closed mortgage with posted rate 5.39% and 5% cash back

7 K8 B6 f# e7 yOption 1. After 3% cash back, your mortgage amount will become $400,000*0.97=$388,000 with 3.3% interest
If you want to payoff your mortgage in 25 years. Monthly PMT $1896.44. The remaining balance is $356,393 after 3 years.
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Option 2. After  5% cash back, your mortgage amount will become
$400,000*0.95=$380,000 with 5.39% interest.
* d; x2 T6 Q& C! v! u$ RIf you want to payoff your mortagge in 25years. Monthly PMT 2295.21  The remaining balance will be $356,351.50 after 3 years
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! [+ H( I! z* @  q" I4 M4 k. {Basically, for the above options, after 3 years, the mortgage remaining balance is similiar.
If you choose the 2% cash back with 3.3%, every month you save about $398.77 monthly payment for 3 years.  Total roughly saving ($398.77*12*3=$14,355)

诺言

能确认一下把mortgage从别的银行转到CIBC，CIBC负担全部律师的费用吗？

caifan

3# Pierce.CIBC
谢谢回复！我后来用网上的贷款计算器算了一下，五年选择5%的返还和5.39% 的posted rate确实不划算，主要因为5.39实在太高了。

caifan

用网上的贷款计算器计算，五年固定利率3.99%, cash back 2%比起现在单纯的五年固定利率3.59%要划算一些。

Rapala

问一个问题，如果是投资房，cashback算收入要交税吗？

caifan

银行网站说：
9 _% f. d/ s' PThe Cash back amount is tax free as long as the funds are not used to earn income from a business or property.

Pierce.CIBC

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8 h) k1 o9 M% }7 o6 TThere is no fee/cost to transfer your mortgage

tyyjohn

任何时间都可以转吗？  还是要等5年满了才能转？

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& u2 V: R* ?+ A' q* Y) EThere is no fee/cost to transfer your mortgage
/ d% Z+ ~; d7 b& N& ?Pierce.CIBC 发表于 2010-3-4 14:26

/ }" I' G5 X8 [6 Q* i; C但是Title上面的mortgagee不是需要改吗？这个过程不需要律师吗？

Pierce.CIBC

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caifan

据我的重新计算，五年固定3.99% 加上2 % 现金返还大致相当于3.50%，这是相当不错的了。
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# C: b* U& X1 _1 Z" Y" S! v. I8 K居然有一位mortgage broker能给这个rate，但是prepayment是5%，不是我想要的 10%。

诺言

“In addition, there are no transfer-in fees for clients to move their mortgage to CIBC.”
这句话并没有解答new mortgage是否需要律师involve去land title office注册的问题啊？

caifan

“In addition, there are no transfer-in fees for clients to move their mortgage to CIBC.”
这句话并没有解答new mortgage是否需要律师involve去land title office注册的问题啊？
1 q% h1 q2 X- C$ `诺言 发表于 2010-3-11 11:41

这个我也问清楚了。我的mortgage broker读了fine print，说你想让银行代付律师和登记费，就得放弃现金返还，当然没有人会那样做。为此他可以另外给我一些现金返还，足够支付相关费用。他说这部分现金返还是他本人用自己积累的点数支付的，与cibc的offer无关。

诺言

这个我也问清楚了。我的mortgage broker读了fine print，说你想让银行代付律师和登记费，就得放弃现金返还，当然没有人会那样做。为此他可以另外给我一些现金返还，足够支付相关费用。他说这部分现金返还是他本人用 ...
caifan 发表于 2010-3-11 11:59

是实实在在的现金返还吗？我看一直没正面回答，感觉有点问题。

Pierce.CIBC

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7 F" y& G( d* ~9 J当您把mortgage转过来，cibc会给您mortgage注册，不需要花钱。

Pierce.CIBC

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