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发表于 2014-2-23 22:39 | 显示全部楼层
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支持楼主官司,让法官判决那一派网友是对的,哪一派网友还需要加深学习。
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发表于 2014-2-24 09:57 | 显示全部楼层
我给保险公司写的信:
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I would like to clarify the difference between her statement and mine. SHE claims that there is A STOP SIGN in front of me. The fact is there is NO stop or EVEN yield sign at that intersection, as evidenced by the pictures I took from the parking lot where the accident happened. (Please see attached pictures). 1 `7 @* V; B! W

# m- C/ C9 a( G+ k; y& a; sThank you for explaining for me the settlement between two insurance companies. However, the settlement agreement does not help determine whose fault it is based on traffic act or bylaws. Instead, you used a few times "common sense" in your explanation to describe how to handle situations at an uncontrolled intersection. I will be more convinced if the determination is made based on law rather than "common sense".
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7 Z, K- [5 ?7 l' DFor example, I stop at a STOP SIGN or RED LIGHT, not because my common sense, because the law says so, and I know if I do not comply then I will be punished.
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. X2 V; S+ u  c: p& y4 x* h) U8 HThe case is pretty clear if we examine it according to the law. We were both operating our vehicles at an uncontrolled intersection in a parking lot, WITH NO STOP OR YIELD SIGN. I arrived at the intersection first and then accident happened. According to the law or driver guideline, I did nothing wrong. There was no evidence to support that I am100% fault in this case according to the law.  $ L8 w7 {( z' o
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After accident, I attempted to offer her a cash settlement regardless the fault determination, because I feel bad about her car. However, she believed that she were the only victim in this case, so she insisted that I should cover all cost to repair her car. So I had to get insurance involved.( y) m) f6 W# r% G5 J% ]" j- ^. ?
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My question is "how do we determine which lane is the main road in a parking lot, if there is no signs at all. Do we judge because there are cars moving in that lane? Maybe the only thing I did wrong was that I did not call the police right away. And that is because she is from Calgary and she wanted to go home. Plus, we blocked traffic while there were many cars waiting in the lane, and her car did not seem to be seriously damaged. So we exchanged information and drove away.
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In a nutshell, I don't think I should take full responsibility for the accident. If whatever party believes I do, they need to provide evidence according to the law.
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保险公司的回复:9 t5 W, _  c  t: |1 M& O
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It doesn’t matter that she says there is a stop sign when there is not; she still has the right of way, even if she is mistaken about the existence of a sign.  And the rules that the insurance companies are bound by, set out by the Insurance Bureau of Canada, is what determines the fault, as I stated.  We are bound by those rules, and if didn’t accept fault in this case, the other insurance company would take us to the Insurance Bureau’s arbitration panel, and we would lose.  We have no argument in our favor, based on the claims agreement we are bound by.  It doesn’t matter who arrived at the intersection first, right of way is not always determined by that.  If there is no applicable rule in the IBC agreement, then rules of the road apply, and this would be considered a neutral intersection.  But there IS an applicable rule for parking lots.  You ask how to determine the main road in a parking lot; as I quoted from the IBC agreement,  “a portion of a public parking lot, designated by the property owners or by its configuration as a “thoroughfare” shall have a right of way”.  The configuration of this lot lends itself to her lane being the main one.  You mentioned you should have called police;  police would not have attended such a minor incident, and even if they did, they do not determine fault for insurance companies because they do not know the rules in the claims agreement.  Sometimes they charge somebody with a traffic charge, and yet based on insurance, the other party is actually at fault.  Example; 2 vehicles coming towards each other; one turns left across the path of the other, the left turning vehicle is at fault, even if the other driver got a ticket for disobeying a traffic signal (for gunning it through the yellow instead of slowing and preparing to stop).  Or 1 driver rear ends another, and the front vehicle turns out to be drunk; he gets charged with drunk driving, but is not at fault for the accident, the driver who hit him from behind is at fault.  My point about common sense was only to point out that if the two of you were in each other’s position, would you have felt you that the car coming out of the aisle, that suddenly pulled out in front of you, was not at fault; and you, driving on the road in front of the door, were at fault?
- g' z& z' `! x4 b( ~0 RYour insurance company settles the fault based on the circumstances that match the IBC claims agreement and in this case, she has the right of way, putting you at fault; unfortunately it doesn’t matter if you agree with it or not.   There is no dispute as to what actually happened, the facts speak for themselves.  The other driver does not need to prove anything as the layout of the parking lot speaks for itself.  We are accepting 100% fault for this based on the Insurance Bureau settlement agreement.
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发表于 2014-2-24 10:15 | 显示全部楼层
问题是这种情况没法上庭吧
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告保险公司?
理袁律师事务所
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发表于 2014-2-24 11:03 | 显示全部楼层
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Basically I have been told by my insurance company:
8 C% _0 n9 g' {4 b4 n$ h! @THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DECIDE BASED ON THE IBC AGREEMENT.  IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER YOU ACCEPT OR NOT.; D+ i5 A- D) J3 w
Can they do that?4 A+ z  c9 h! Z; z$ Y
Sorry, I am at work, can’t type in Chinese on my work computer.
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发表于 2014-2-24 11:24 | 显示全部楼层
clutch 发表于 2014-2-23 08:26
: c, O/ Q9 Z8 h5 h也就是说警察也认为停车场有主路的说法是吗?

4 @, w5 r" F. i- E6 N2 g当然,我们当事人双方和警察对此都没有疑义,只有擦我车的人说我是OVER SPEED
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发表于 2014-2-24 11:28 | 显示全部楼层
clutch 发表于 2014-2-23 08:25 + S4 V& }1 K' G/ d+ i
所有停车位出来都有implied stop吧

' U* y' y/ P# }7 x不一定,去看SOUTHGATE和西贸一楼
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发表于 2014-2-24 11:35 | 显示全部楼层
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pjbk 发表于 2014-2-23 10:44
  I5 y, ?6 M1 G5 a0 G现在的问题是保险公司提出的判断依据不是出自任何法律法规的明文规定,
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有很多规则是约定俗成的,例如埃德蒙顿很多小区的后门停车位都有小路通往大路,路口也没有任何牌子9 E+ h+ @. K" p  }$ h
,但所有的司机必须从自家小区小路出来后左右看,保证主道没有车方可转入此道。
: ]/ y3 o# R$ L) c( i0 M  R我想大家都有这样的经验吧
3 f# ~: K) c8 J; \' t1 w9 `按照你的说法就是反正找不到主道定义,只要遵守UNCONTROL规则,想怎么转都可以,那是非常危险的。
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, [; N% T; j$ W% x) N再举个反例,例如限速问题,大家肯定在路上常看到类似最大60公里之类的速度牌,但一般你时速开到快10公里内都可以被接受,照相机和警察都不会抓你,按你的逻辑这简直不可思议是不是?3 u, w3 ]2 X) e! B! Z) k! \5 M+ g2 u

9 W+ ]; q6 e' e* C谢谢XUXUELIN的鲜花,我就是把自己的经历贴出来共享,唯一的希望就是大家能安全驾驶

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xuxuelin  在2014-2-24 11:45  送朵鲜花  并说:我非常同意你的观点,送朵鲜花鼓励一下
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发表于 2014-2-24 11:38 | 显示全部楼层
pjbk 发表于 2014-2-23 10:44 + N; K4 |! Q6 J# ~
现在的问题是保险公司提出的判断依据不是出自任何法律法规的明文规定,) f) _' `5 N* X. _% `, y0 s
每一条都是他们认为。。。,他们 ...
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Alberta Transportation "A Driver's Guide to Operation, Safety and Licensing" Page 58:* p* Z+ Z0 `0 l: ]- d, i& z
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INTERSECTION REMINDERS:
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   an approaching vehicle cannot turn left ,
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    rules apply.
4 ^6 h+ W! w$ |9 T2 k" j% y" J• All intersections have crosswalks that
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- [4 g5 B4 E$ T. w5 B) K( zDAVE123的回复我这里利用一下,建议仔细读第一段
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发表于 2014-2-24 11:41 | 显示全部楼层
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无论任何时候,安全第一,等出了事再想去翻交规找定义那都是马后炮了。
+ ]% ^" d1 W2 M% a3 m# q还有无论任何时候都要第一时间报警,即便你不相信警察,但法庭会很看重警察证言证词。5 q$ t0 d4 \5 s; ?
认为警察不一定正确的,你一定要提出足够充分的证据,记住:证据!
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" R5 j$ |9 @2 i, g  T补充内容 (2014-2-24 13:10):( t5 N4 f* I  |& Z) O0 q
借用你自己贴出来的回复哈:
# v  Z  d' g' K6 G( \% @When exiting from service roads,alleys, parking lots and driveways, you must:
0 _& d2 u0 z+ I( B" Z• stop before entering a main street.
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发表于 2014-2-24 12:46 | 显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 pjbk 于 2014-2-24 12:47 编辑 ( U. d3 R4 c1 T3 y: D% }
xiaofeng85 发表于 2014-2-24 11:35 # i2 M; {* S, l9 v6 y, s2 O7 Y1 G% I
有很多规则是约定俗成的,例如埃德蒙顿很多小区的后门停车位都有小路通往大路,路口也没有任何牌子; Q  ]: [7 S; e; Z; Y& p
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你说的约定俗成的都白纸黑字写在regulation里面
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• stop before any sidewalk crossing
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所以在这个上面没有约定俗成,只有规矩。9 B3 V2 |5 Q& F$ _" Z

0 _0 ~1 H5 x7 V$ `关于超速,还是一句话,你做了,没抓你不表示你就是对的% u9 M% w. g" X
美国某些地方你超了一迈,警察都会抓你。。。
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发表于 2014-2-24 13:07 | 显示全部楼层
anglobatiatus 发表于 2014-2-24 11:03 : X! h* W( a! M
Basically I have been told by my insurance company:* j" v9 j; A8 U2 ^1 c; k7 w
THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DECIDE BASED ON THE ...

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2. Right-of-way, 与上条同一页图片
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/ C/ C* u+ F2 G1 l" ?保险公司要提供与上两条抵触的法律依据。
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你可以告诉保险公司他们不能根据法律条款保护你个人的合法权益,以后你会考虑不再继续用他们的服务。
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发表于 2014-2-24 13:08 | 显示全部楼层
pjbk 发表于 2014-2-24 12:46
; _1 a4 {- E8 o* r; B0 ~0 ~你说的约定俗成的都白纸黑字写在regulation里面
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3 Z9 g: r; c# G% B大哥你前面回复不是说在regulation里根本没有主道的定义吗?怎么你这里又提出主道的概念了?3 `6 \" N) K  n" s. d# y
小弟我实在是被你搞糊涂了,到底你那个回复是靠谱的?
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发表于 2014-2-24 13:16 | 显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 xiaofeng85 于 2014-2-24 13:34 编辑 2 e  E4 Q' v1 {& q$ |

9 ^5 {6 m. @0 M& V0 g9 B! z大家讨论到这里基本情况已经清楚了:! Y8 J7 D! B" s  m4 R- G0 r
就是到底楼主发生事故的地方是INTERSECTION还是MAIN STREET,如果是前者,楼主无责,如果是后者,楼主全责。
( ]$ |- u6 K( G关键看到底应该是适用那种。8 M) a- H4 Q( e" a
看来理还是不辨不清,很好很好,这样大家就把一些以前理不清的交规都搞清楚了。- g9 I+ o* w! M* Q+ U1 [5 P
顺便感谢楼上pjbk朋友贴出来的交规6 U/ w# k) h% x4 l; R. j0 F
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PJBK,这是你自己对MAIN ROAD的解释,切记也是你自己前面的回复:交规没有明确定义何为MAIN ROAD。还说显而易见?请问你从那里看出来的 ,REGULATION有明确定义吗?典型的主观臆断
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发表于 2014-2-24 13:22 | 显示全部楼层
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xiaofeng85 发表于 2014-2-24 13:08 7 c7 B+ s2 T7 G- E# Z2 Y
大哥你前面回复不是说在regulation里根本没有主道的定义吗?怎么你这里又提出主道的概念了?( U1 j! d- m8 X4 j1 A) O
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被排除在service roads, alleys, parking lots and driveways外的都是main road9 R* T& _1 V8 m& h
你是自说自话的把Parking Lot里面的某一条Lane解释成main road,# X3 x" t3 r) w7 l0 H8 {$ ?5 a
原来以为中国人的逻辑应该不错的。
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发表于 2014-2-24 13:26 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 xiaofeng85 于 2014-2-24 13:27 编辑
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pjbk 发表于 2014-2-24 13:22 " d7 p/ q; `: r  }  P% m
这个不解释  A: I# f3 r( F0 z7 y5 A! m7 @
被排除在service roads, alleys, parking lots and driveways外的都是main road. S( q% {( d9 c7 Q1 O) y
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你的逻辑完全混乱,按照你前面的回复,就根本没有主道的明确定义,但你现在又贴出了主道的说法,既然没有主道的明确定义,那你是如何区分那条是停车场lane那条是MAIN ROAD呢?此其一。
( R/ G* U0 k+ ~% H; h: {其二,你自说自画认为某条LANE是属于停车场的,又自说自画解释主道的定义,和自己的前方回复矛盾,属于自己解释条文。& F6 ]* l# v* i6 b, X  |) h
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发表于 2014-2-24 13:43 | 显示全部楼层
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xiaofeng85 发表于 2014-2-24 13:26
$ W; i9 z) j: _: T& L你的逻辑完全混乱,按照你前面的回复,就根本没有主道的明确定义,但你现在又贴出了主道的说法,既然没 ...

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以下是我的逻辑,你可以按条驳斥。
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• stop before entering a main street
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这个说明Parking Lot 和 Main Street是互斥的
* B+ t% M, ~6 J9 RII. 出事地点属于West Edmonton Mall的Private Parking Lot,没有路名,街名。。。这个可以向West Edmonton Mall或City证实0 ]( o6 h$ r$ `9 Y- b% ~( D
III. I和II正确说明事故发生在Parking Lot,不涉及Main Street
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发表于 2014-2-24 13:58 | 显示全部楼层
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pjbk 发表于 2014-2-24 13:43 & g, o; p& ^/ D$ t+ R
以下是我的逻辑,你可以按条驳斥。
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看来我一点没看错,你没有MAIN STREET和INTERSECTIONS的区别
3 m& u8 Y0 N* c& t: R第一,你现在自己又开始定义了MAIN STREET的概念,和前面你认为“被排除在service roads, alleys, parking lots and driveways外的都是main road”的解释不同的是:你现在又提出一个新的概念”这个说明Parking Lot 和 Main Street是互斥的: d$ j- H2 q$ X8 L  U6 ?( q
II. 出事地点属于West Edmonton Mall的Private Parking Lot,没有路名,街名。。“
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而且你仍然没有解释和你之前回复的自相矛盾,请别忘记你前方回复是没有MAIN STREET的定义的。
1 a! I8 A9 \* `/ M# m$ Y/ m. m第二,我接受你的观点:要看REGULATION规定,但是现在你又开始不遵守你自己的条例了,向WEST EDMONTON MALL或CITY证实有用吗?可信吗?请给我看REGULATION的详细定义。. U9 U+ b$ m- ]0 u+ E
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发表于 2014-2-24 14:00 | 显示全部楼层
我倾向于pjbk的看法,楼主没有错误,对方全责
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发表于 2014-2-24 14:02 | 显示全部楼层
但我同时觉得pjbk解释有些混乱,逻辑上的确前后有矛盾,不过这个帖子不是辩论逻辑的帖子,楼上xiaofeng85没必要抓住这点大做文章。
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发表于 2014-2-24 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
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没觉得 楼上的 肖峰在针对他啊。
5 t3 B0 k' X* z6 d: z因为这个搞不清,总是危险的,对大家都好。要不总会有人吃亏的。
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PJBK你的萨省连接我看一下,没有说主路和内分支的条例是有冲突啊,上面的总条先写了,这些在主路上的规则同样适用于无指示分支口。如果对方主路,那条例权大于分支啊。' `% K+ [0 [0 ?# m7 p3 }8 z

7 Q+ \0 }* L$ @' ~9 |另外,车主如果不介意,到底你是想转哪条路啊,没有路名?是靠哪条有路名的,哪个出口啊。6 N+ M- c, p/ H9 t( N" p; [+ [* ]
你的保险现在说你全责,就不知道是要向那位上诉过的,先从哪级开始告啊?
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发表于 2014-2-24 14:59 | 显示全部楼层
xiaofeng85 发表于 2014-2-24 13:58
1 @# G" k0 B  L, C; ~! p0 \看来我一点没看错,你没有MAIN STREET和INTERSECTIONS的区别
5 O' x0 P* ]1 }1 e3 Q( W第一,你现在自己又开始定义了MAIN STREET的 ...
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"被排除在service roads, alleys, parking lots and driveways外的都是main road" --> "Parking Lot 和 Main Street是互斥的" 这个简单的集合概念你不懂?
" C. o! X; N; H  \7 Y0 bII. 这个事实需要楼主去证实,但是你的逻辑是这个不属于WEM的Parking Lot的范围,不用证实,你同样没有解释。或者说你自行定义了parking lot里面的main street。我上面要说明的就是parking lot和main street是互斥的,不存在parking lot里面的main street。9 @$ j' [' G' N0 U( Y0 y. x* d) H+ p
我已经总结了我的逻辑,每一句话都是引子Driver's Guide,除了II. 出事地点属于West Edmonton Mall的Private Parking Lot,需要楼主去证实。虽然我个人认为这是显而易见的事实,事故发生在WEM parking lot里。希望您能针对我的总结发言。4 d2 y/ m" d+ j3 R  w/ T0 B. p
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第一,需要您回答的是,是否事故发生在WEM Parking Lot?如果不是,是在main street上,street name是什么?(相信报警的时候你不会说I got an accident, and it happened on NO NAME street);如果是在parking lot上,请在driver's guide里给出parking lot里main street的定义,否则parking lot的main street就不存在9 D# p! R# I! P9 P
第二,如果第一个问题你对在Private parking lot上又没有main street没有异议的话,相信uncontrolled intersection和楼主无责你也应该没有异议了。) Y0 `0 H: ?- M& L+ l
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发表于 2014-2-24 15:08 | 显示全部楼层
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又去读了下2省的页面。% Q$ U6 f) [/ p0 h/ P4 q
有些接近于在4 way stop 或是有时红绿灯坏时。 先到先走,同时到右手先走(即使左拐)1 Y& n$ w1 Q/ W
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现在看是否能找到,到底对方的她的路,是不是主路。7 P* Q! N! T7 |& f9 Q3 J

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发表于 2014-2-24 15:16 | 显示全部楼层
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建议楼主问一问 Alberta Transportation. 下面是链接:! b; x+ O. u" P/ l% X

5 E, f4 [2 S4 n$ b5 |http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/3106.htm
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" N6 A! g1 L+ e. cFor more information about 511 Alberta please call: 9 |0 o; V# G" D9 M9 O# C
In Alberta 5-1-1
, E2 J% |8 h3 N5 n5 S( B6 y5 Y Out-of-Alberta 1-855-391-9743
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For more information about our department and service please call:
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' s& }5 L6 m* b' A' t) eIn Alberta toll free 310-0000,
+ t# D5 |6 ?) L* Q  F9 Y1 C (from a cell phone4 ~8 b. g; l# P8 X1 _
#310 on Telus, or
6 \+ x9 n1 }% Z8 K *310 on AT&T), then
3 }8 ^6 D( j$ {780-427-27317 ^+ y1 L$ ^* C9 @: V0 o: }

0 B' ?3 t3 o5 j# O6 VOutside of Alberta 780-427-2731. h! ^$ e$ c: ]. d/ b0 s( V
Monday-Friday 8:15 am - 4:30 pm.
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9 e) g; J  H+ l' Z* M- q这是 e-mail 链接:& T7 E5 L) S1 y9 l9 `. c' t
Ask Alberta Transportation a question : W( h; [: Q) |5 H; t# y- |
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发表于 2014-2-24 15:32 | 显示全部楼层
pjbk 发表于 2014-2-24 14:59
" y1 U/ y: {% F"被排除在service roads, alleys, parking lots and driveways外的都是main road" --> "Parking Lot 和 M ...

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但第一,你的解释不代表官方解释,谁告诉你没有路名就不是MAIN STREET,请引用官方条文。
4 v1 j% g% i# s' a; R% j1 J第二,PARKING LOT和MAIN STREET是互斥的,一样的问题,我不信你自说自画的解释,请引用官方条文。) w' w- G$ v# k( k
第三,如果全部都是你自己的解释,显而易见此说从何而来0 a/ b9 [8 C; h$ V3 {- n% @
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总之一句话,引用条文不代表你能自己解释条文,两个概念不要混在一起
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发表于 2014-2-24 16:00 | 显示全部楼层
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第一,谁告诉你没有路名的路,你就可以定义为Main Street?请引用官方条文6 f% `. F7 D  A( g5 x# J+ P
相信你当时发生事故的时候打电话报警说的是我在西茂的parking lot出了车祸,而不是我在西茂的main streetXXX除了车祸。8 @! @: Z2 U' C% w7 j  C5 C
第二,When exiting from service roads, alleys, parking lots and driveways, you must:
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' D+ _. y$ W$ Z  P* Z) q3 J. e• stop before entering a main street
0 g1 g  G  Z% o+ I/ u• yield to pedestrians* q; V/ n* v8 q+ G$ W
如果parking lot就有main street,就不存在从main street ENTER main street
6 N# ~& ~+ f# F0 q3 p# r" w  F基本逻辑,不解释) ~! W- g6 r! R1 L7 g; _1 H) j
第三,我的解释依据逻辑推理,你的纯属主观臆断——因为这么发生过,所以就是对的
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最后,我是给你提了问题,你回答Yes OR No
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发表于 2014-2-24 18:28 | 显示全部楼层
pjbk 发表于 2014-2-24 16:00 / n" O  }- q* H+ D
第一,谁告诉你没有路名的路,你就可以定义为Main Street?请引用官方条文
) B2 N$ b* r( y8 E+ `; ^相信你当时发生事故的时候打电话 ...
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我基本同意你的观点,但不可否认,你后面越解释越乱,还是别多说了,最后看LZ怎么处理的
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发表于 2014-2-24 18:33 | 显示全部楼层
Alberta Drivers Regulation没有定义任何Implied Stop,Implied Yield,也没有定义过什么时候一条路可以视作Main Road,没有定义过得东西怎么能够要求别人去遵守?
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以上拷自PJBK前面的回复,健忘的话翻上去自己看,前面说没有定义,后面又开始扯什么有没有路名之类的了,请问你那个回复是靠谱的?
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发表于 2014-2-24 18:34 | 显示全部楼层
pjbk 发表于 2014-2-24 16:00 ) @' [+ K2 I9 W$ K! w
第一,谁告诉你没有路名的路,你就可以定义为Main Street?请引用官方条文
: e; F/ J$ v3 @. R4 N- I- }相信你当时发生事故的时候打电话 ...
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不好意思的很,同样的事情发生在一年前我的身上,警察判我无责
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发表于 2014-2-24 18:35 | 显示全部楼层
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以下是我对今早保险公司给我回信的解读
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, A/ c( m, F; R$ m6 U; E, O现在保险公司的态度已经很明确了。在处理这次事件时,所有的判断对错标准都基于加拿大保险局的规定,对方的车在主道,而我当时是在支道,所以我必须要让对方,不然不管发生了什么事情都是我全责。那我先到的怎么样?不管;那大家都是在停车场里,谁是主道谁是支道啊?不管。根据保险局的规定,在照片中显示的行车路线中,我就是在支道,对方就是在主道。那交通法规不是这样说的啊?不管。现在是处理双方保险公司理赔的事务,所有的标准都要基于保险局的规定。那如果警察或是法官说我是有理怎么办?不管,就算是在法律上我有理(现在不谈),在这件事情上还是我全错,对方没错。谁说的?加拿大保险局的规定。现在我的保险公司已经认可了我负全责的理赔。那我不接受怎么办?那由不得你,你爱接受不接受,反正我们保险公司是认可了。
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# B/ n% r' s% t9 L看来好像除了完事后退保换公司外,我没有什么其他办法。就算是那样,也不能解决我现在的问题啊。
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发表于 2014-2-24 18:37 | 显示全部楼层
pjbk 发表于 2014-2-24 16:00
4 T5 c+ h4 a5 F. p1 G( g# x第一,谁告诉你没有路名的路,你就可以定义为Main Street?请引用官方条文
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你还是别跟我说什么逻辑推理什么的,你的主观判断没有任何价值,我的要求很简单,你即然反复提到main street
! L- y& ~* Z) `& L请给我官方条文解释,别的都不用讲。* L3 @& j/ W" O+ I# u( A1 ?
规则就是规则,不能靠推理。
! b; S' j3 @# x* p% Z9 v/ i3 {现在我等你贴官方条文解释
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