美加两国比较

OOPP

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24# 小黄
我的例子里还包括了美国的一些社会底层的黑人和老莫，它们没有上进心，构成了一个相对低价的劳动力阶层，当然，他们也带来了毒品和犯罪等问题，和中国的情况相像。而加拿大这类人比例很少。
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# ^( a& S2 l  g  n0 nRapala 发表于 2009-12-11 09:00

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怕是红脖子不能容忍你
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比而聊以自慰。

小黄

那我问你那些非法移民都去干什么了？同样水平的人，比如说护士，那些工作签证的人是不是比当地美国人赚得少？
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Rapala 发表于 2009-12-11 09:55

1) They work for restaurants or as janitors, for minimum wages. Which is the same in Canada. There was never a shortage of minimum wage labor in Canada either. Many African Americans are poor because they don't even want to work for minimum wages.
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2) It's false to say home construction is cheaper in the US. California has the most Mexican workers and yet it's the most expensive real estate market for both lots and construction.

Rapala

1) They work for restaurants or as janitors, for minimum wages. Which is the same in Canada. There was never a shortage of minimum wage labor in Canada either. Many African Americans are poor becaus ...
$ t" ^# L/ I3 ~4 b  ~, r! I2 K小黄 发表于 2009-12-11 10:00

你好像忘了德洲等房价便宜的地方。
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9 V) ?, Y6 t7 V3 D非法移民具体到哪个领域很难说，不过不管哪个领域，都会造成整个社会服务成本的下降，餐馆也是服务行业的一种。总体来说，美国的非法移民+外国签证工作人员+社会低层人士　的比例，比加拿大大得多，造成美国的贫富差距跟严重，这样就造成一个收入在中上水平的人，比加拿大过得更优越。

Rapala

上进心。
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比而聊以自慰。
3 m' ]4 Z+ J( X/ BOOPP 发表于 2009-12-11 10:00

先搞懂我的观点再发言。

yangshanshan

对于我来说，国内有房有高薪工作，吃饭打的有人报销，确实比现在的加拿大生活要惬意。但是我的后一代，却要忍受１２年寒窗苦大学毕业等于失业的生活。
Rapala 发表于 2009-12-9 15:47

were you working less than 40 hours a week and not having much stressthen ? if yes you lucky guy and you should not have come. for your kids, you can send them to those nice public schools. at least i know in beijing, a lot of nice schools they don't have much homework for kids any more. and if your kids are good enough they can get into those top universities with top major. after that they can easily get into top jobs, $wise much better than here. the only thing is if long work hours and stress is an issue for the family...

Rapala

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were you working less than 40 hours a week and not having much stressthen ? if yes you lucky guy and you should not have come. for your kids, you can send them to those nice public schools. at lea ...
! ~& |+ l. Y7 L( h5 l9 e# jyangshanshan 发表于 2009-12-11 10:18

9 s% r9 [. F3 A% p% y, z在中国，我加班一般在饭桌上，比现在在加拿大当然多一些，说到真正干活，,不过也就是一个月两三次这样的水平。我是少数后悔来加拿大的人之一，因为来了以后，我才对社会和人生有更多的思考，才发现以前是在剥削人，现在是在被剥削。

! ^, h' z5 I0 C对了忘说了，中国每天实际工作时间是６。５小时，早上８：３０上班，下午５：００下班，中间还有两小时休息。

yangshanshan

在中国，我加班一般在饭桌上，比现在在加拿大当然多一些，说到真正干活，,不过也就是一个月两三次这样的水平。我是少数后悔来加拿大的人之一，因为来了以后，我才对社会和人生有更多的思考，才发现以前是在剥削人， ...
Rapala 发表于 2009-12-11 10:24

! z  x* @: Z& c2 W3 ?; F& `* xthen you really a lucky guy, admire   but to me, 加班一般在饭桌上 always count into overtime as i am not spending the time for my own or with my family. and everybody i know 有高薪工作 in BJ they work like a dog, except those with unusal background... but i do agree以前是在剥削人:)

郭森房贷

小黄

你好像忘了德洲等房价便宜的地方。
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非法移民具体到哪个领域很难说，不过不管哪个领域，都会造成整个社会服务成本的下降，餐馆也是服务行业的一种。总体来说，美国的非法移民+外国签证工作人员+社会低层人士　的 ...
Rapala 发表于 2009-12-11 10:13

4 v4 V& P) Y+ V! ?, W# a5 q" MThat's caused by 3% property tax. I assure you that Alberta housing price would drop to their level, if the mill rate increases to 3% (it's 0.6% now).

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Rapala

That's caused by 3% property tax. I assure you that Alberta housing price would drop to their level, if the mill rate increases to 3% (it's 0.6% now).
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Try to give me an example where an America ...
6 L" [% W3 m- D! @$ D" R小黄 发表于 2009-12-11 13:32

: M9 R/ x% u3 L8 F! \, N这样比来比去没有意义，因为一个地区房子价格有很多因素，美国有些地区地税高，但是有很多洲还没有消费税呢，怎么比较？每个洲的税率也有很大差别。
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还是回到我帖子的中心意思上来吧，如果你能在美国拿中等以上水平的收入，并且和你同水平同行的美国人收入相差不大，比加拿大好。

雲吞

这个都不用争。美国当然是世界上最牛比的国家。
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8 {3 S( x+ k- @& J, ]; e从我自己的角度看，如果让我移民到美国，第一没条件，第二懒得动。

而且如果让我搬到一个地方，夏天开空调的费用和在埃德蒙顿冬天取暖费用一样高，我宁可呆在埃德蒙顿，因为我自己觉得冷比热舒服。

feng99

Illegal Mexican workers mostly work on the farm and orchard.

安大略湖

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7 [% P1 b) O8 k5 {) P如果在这工资很理想，房子都供完了，是不是就懒得动了？
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feng99

Or child will go to USA University in several years, so partents would like to take the first step.

yutian929

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