关于鸭子湖: Duck Lake or Goose Lake

arbo

那天路过鸭子湖，我说我们中国人叫 Hawrelak Park为鸭子湖。朋友问为什么。我开玩笑说，我们中国人不会发那个名字的音。
朋友说，你也发不好 Duck Lake 的音。
/ w" c2 f6 G* x& a$ h6 e我想了想，是的。下次改叫 Goose Lake。

伊人

好

suvescape

Goose 中的oo,就一定能发好么?

arbo

I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
! o% W0 b1 _' X- b' ~5 T% ^I am working on it now, any suggestions?

billzhao

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03
! p+ r3 }8 [% Z4 v$ h5 s/ W5 eI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

) w0 p  Q) W) c9 d- Pwhich sound?
d or u
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arbo

Come on, I am not an Indian.

billzhao

hehe, right, Indians cannot say d

jsw

我的理解是：
* B+ Q" O* f# `( W5 S再复杂的读音，你把他标好后，先一个音节一个音节的分开读，然后连起来读。
( F' |. G; B8 ]# |. w  F  ?8 Y1 v等到你觉得整个单词读得正确了，就重复读个100遍。这样应该能解决了。
+ h, W0 z% w: l- ?, M$ Q7 n; Q, o! R如果一次不行，你就每天找个时间练。可以把那个音标贴在门上或放在你电脑前... 就像卖油翁那样。。。

Crisis

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arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
6 q1 y( K1 m. g: r7 X/ _1 Q. o7 b1 BI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
1 \! p* I  Q& G5 e" Q1 O  HI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出现的元音－－－所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！
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如何发？有两种方法供参考，如下：

１、在面部肌肉放松，口腔肌肉包括舌头也放松的情况下，要么用手使劲捏自己勃子的喉结处（女性请参考男性的相关位置），直到自己实在忍受不住了，而发出声音，要么，用自己的拳头对准胸部使劲捶打一下，很意外地发出来的声音，就象了。
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- l9 g0 ]  x, @" e7 i( ?' f２、或者，可以参考当地人发CANADA时的尾音－－－原音a，将其应用到所有单词中的同样发音中
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0 \9 Q; I1 z  c. @& d0 ]$ a9 g) T3. 最后，谁给suvescape扔鸡蛋了？人家一片好心，却被误解。赶紧送鲜花补上吧。suvescape是对的，oo的音其实更难发，很多人尤其是同胞以为发对了，其实与正确的发音还相差甚远－－－正如咱以前那样。

arbo

I think they might be different. Duck is a stressed vowel.
Canada 的尾音－－－原音a is schwa.
  p) Y, Z: Q9 R1 K% o2 yCan you explain?

arbo

I checked it again. You are right: it is also a schwa.

arbo

One useful link: http://www.pronuncian.com/Lessons/Default.aspx?Lesson=98

jsw

Crisis 发表于 2012-3-15 08:38
如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出 ...

. L" a% D9 N9 U- T$ X; i! A; F<所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！>

3 Q7 E0 D# K. P) o  b2 ~; T/ e# TCrisis: 这几个元音字母非重读的音是/&#601;/吧。
　　　当然，赖哥似乎是把它和/&#652;/等同的。我个人有点怀疑。
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4 [4 [% l/ r* x4 z3 }　　　我个人觉得duck还是应该读成/d&#652;k/,而不是/d&#601;k/，就像bus应该读成/b&#652;s/而不是/b&#601;s/......
0 ]# F9 s9 u2 _2 u/ J& j9 G         当然，很多人分别读成/dak/,/bas/，这样就失去了应有的“声音往下压，短促”的韵味了，给人一种“拖沓”的声音感觉。(中文双引号中内容只是我个人的发音体会的描述。)

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
9 ~: C0 |1 l  \I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

. Z+ _' H; j9 ?; X2 m; M! p能把oo发对很不容易呀。
+ U9 t& M2 E! X; U! v9 i我以前就分不清full和fool，像云吞有个帖子里说得那样。
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duck的u发不准，是不是和Arbo的方言背景有关？不是你老家在那个区域......

arbo

To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
I think my local dialect doesn't interfere with my English. The problem is the British accent.

月如钩

Hawrelak的音标是什么？

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-3-16 09:54
To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
1 O# U3 g3 |! u2 aI think my local dialect doesn't ...

Cool.
. u1 q7 H6 ^* e# s3 q0 n4 vFurther, those who can speak more than one dialect are better able to produce sounds in a foreign language. I learned that from a linguistics book written by 桂灿昆.

月如钩

http://www.box.com/s/838e14f49f4d1c390324
: O# d8 t/ v5 @  n% m2 p  r' @, q这个发音对吗？

arbo

I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

月如钩

arbo 发表于 2012-3-19 17:13
1 C3 l4 c# q, T  kI don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

Thanks! Just google it and got such one as follows,
I believe it's HAV-ri-lak. The name is Ukranian. It is often transliterated into English with a "v," not a "w." (William Hawrelak was mayor of Edmonton in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s.)
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2093383
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