请教云山水月或者蛇王 Ha ling Peak

billzhao

ha ling peak翻译成海林峰吗？从老云的帖子里面看时这样的，但是为什么不是哈灵峰呢？
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; b' k+ J; k, t6 b' g另外，有没有资料能够证明这个人的原名叫什么？肯定他的姓不是ha 或者 海吧？
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google上找了半天无解，所以上来请教。

FrankSoccer

I have no idea to your question. Here are some pictures and more inforamtion. 4 F/ s+ t3 ~' K" {) g) o* Y Ha Ling Peak                                                                 2408m (7900ft.)                                        Located in the Bow River Valley; a peak at the northwest end of Mount Lawrence Grassi; southeast buttress of White Man Gap. Kananaskis Park, Alberta ! ?( _/ x: ^5 V0 V# k/ _                                                        Latitude 51; 03; 30 Longitude 115; 24; 00, Topo map 82O/03 7 T4 u& `" }5 q                                                        9 v& r3 K0 Q& P- q                                                        Panorama viewpoint: Harvie Heights. Can be seen from Highways 1 and 742                                                                                                                                        2 h- a* \" s& p" X  e) Y' L                                         Named in 1998. Ha Ling: (A railway worker who won a bet in the Canmore area by climbing the peak and returning to the Bow Valley in five and one half hours.) Official name. Other names Chinaman's Peak; The Beehive; % o8 g% i5 }' s- \$ J8 Z                                        % k3 u( L: V% \8 R* ~% D/ \	Photo: The summit of Mount Lawrence Grassi (left) and Ha Ling Peak from Highway #1A just west of the Park Gates 3 [8 n; i9 i2 Y8 @" A8 E% t4 p                                                                More photos
3 h8 K# r8 d# R                                                Other Information                                                                                                                                         Photo: Ha Ling Peak from Highway #1A near Canmore 3 |* d; C$ \. K: u; A1 y                                        % n* J9 S- y5 F7 ^                                                                        Together with Ship's Prow[url=], Ha Ling Peak is a named high point on the more massive[/url]Mount Lawrence Grassi[url=](Ehagay Nakoda) that lies between[/url]The Three Sisters[url=]and[/url]Mount Rundle[url=]. This mountain was formerly officially named Chinaman's Peak. Although not made official until 1980, the mountain was named in 1886 in honour of Ha Ling, a Chinese cook at a mining camp. According to the Medicine Hat News of October 24, 1896, the previous weekend had seen a feat of remarkable mountain climbing near the town of Canmore.  In the “Canmore Cullings” column in that issue, it was reported that Ha Ling, a cook from China who worked at the mining camps, won a fifty-dollar bet. He bet some of his co-workers that he could climb to the top of the peak, plant a flag, and return to the town in ten hours. Not only did he accomplish the task he did it in five and a half hours. Following pressure from the Chinese Community, the name was removed in 1997 and officially renamed Ha Ling Peak the following year. 8 a+ D+ f+ f, `0 B2 O" wHowever this may not be the end of the story. Writing in the October 4th issue of the Banff newspaper, Lorraine Widmer-Carson reported that Brian Dawson's book, "Moon Cakes in Gold Country -From China to the Canadian Plains," tells a different tale but one that still involves a Chinese cook and the bet. According to Dawson, it wasn't Ha Ling but Lee Poon (a cook at the Oskaloosa Hotel) who climbed the mountain and the bet was for $10. 6 P5 ~- I2 b0 K, B1 M  \ # F3 j3 j) X  Z7 {! j2 U1 @- cBoth stories involve a Chinese individual who was a cook and who climbed the mountain to win a bet. But what should the name of the mountain be? [/url][url=]*A hiking route to the summit is described in Gillean Daffern’s[/url]Kananaskis Country Trail Guide Volume 1.
Scrambling Routes                                        An easy ascent via southwest slopes. Overlooking Canmore, this ascent is short, simple and, since trail improvements, much less steep. It is a favourite pilgrimage of locals; paragliders sometimes use it as a launch when the wind cooperates. A higher adjacent summit (2685 m) to the southeast, now called Mount Lawrence Grassi, may also be reached if you're good at routefinding. Ha Ling Peak is a popular season starter and should pose no problem from mid-May on Kane, Scrambles in the Canadian Rockies page 81

billzhao

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) S$ u- B7 t& T; f$ h! J# S8 \谢谢frank，这些资料不错。什么时候去爬一爬吧，听说是个很Popular的hiking trail，同时也纪念一下这些为太平洋铁路做出杰出贡献的华人劳工。

FrankSoccer

It is said to be the best trail in Canada.

kingsnake

這個源出於 當年有個叫 淩海的中國 鐵路小伙子，在 5 小時 30 分内，打賭地完成了爬上了這座高山又下來的。
之前，因為不知道他的名字，又叫做  Chinaman's Peak.

billzhao

這個源出於 當年有個叫 林海的中國 鐵路小伙子，在 5 小時 30 分内，打賭地完成了爬上了這座高山又下來的。
之前，因為不知道他的名字，又叫做  Chinaman's Peak.
' _3 k) `& C3 P; b- W, B) ~kingsnake 发表于 2011-10-3 10:29

. }3 f6 J2 u* A  W除了云山水月的帖子里面提到他的名字叫林海之外，还有其他来源吗？
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8 R# C2 u  v1 B3 g5 m中文翻译成叫林海峰，海林峰，哈灵峰？
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另外广东话把lin读成ling，hai读成ha？

多谢！

放风儿

谢谢frank，这些资料不错。什么时候去爬一爬吧，听说是个很Popular的hiking trail，同时也纪念一下这些为太平洋铁路做出杰出贡献的华人劳工。
billzhao 发表于 2011-10-3 11:09

$ c5 d7 m& v8 N9 a; g7 r% H实际上haling peak是一个入门级的scrambling 线路，首登是个老华裔铁路工因打赌登上去的。那时候他用时5小时，现在相信很多人都可以快得多。另外虽说是scrambling线路，但是属于很容易的入门级。我谁虽没爬过haling peak，但爬过旁边的Mount Lawrence Grassi，所以知道此山不算难。

billzhao

凌海吗？

billzhao

实际上haling peak是一个入门级的scrambling 线路，首登是个老华裔铁路工因打赌登上去的。那时候他用时5小时，现在相信很多人都可以快得多。另外虽说是scrambling线路，但是属于很容易的入门级。
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billzhao

云山水月

1886年的时候，加拿大的华人，遑论中文原名，能留下英文的名字已经算是奇迹了吧！

4 Y9 v% m" x2 ~* i' _" I$ S他们没有政治地位，没有经济地位，他们只是劳工，如同奴隶一般的劳工。
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5 }7 Y* _' G1 y- n/ G: IHa Ling Peak，很多人就叫做哈灵峰。也有翻作海岭峰的，还有海莲峰的，这就差得比较远。我不会广东话，所以只好猜测这个Ha，其实是姓“夏”，Ling，可能就是“岭”，或者“灵”“陵”“翎”，这个就无从判断了。
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如果一定要翻，我宁愿翻作“夏灵峰”，听着比较顺口。
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, A# h/ C9 A0 H4 J你这个问题，或者马健威会有标准答案吧！呵呵。

billzhao

1886年的时候，加拿大的华人，遑论中文原名，能留下英文的名字已经算是奇迹了吧！

他们没有政治地位，没有经济地位，他们只是劳工，如同奴隶一般的劳工。
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Ha Ling Peak，很多人就叫做哈灵峰。也有翻作海岭峰的 ...
云山水月 发表于 2011-10-3 23:22

謝謝，有道理。確實留下英文名字已經不錯了，只是好奇而已。

在找到真名之前，先叫他夏靈吧。